@Ash_Kvetchum @Deplorable_Degenerate @chud @monsterislandcolonizer > Yes. (💀) This just saying back to me what I said:

>"The conceptual misunderstanding, an itch, that needed scratched that led to the idea/solution of a sinless Mary is the wrestling with how Christ would be sinless if born through a fallen human--the same state that results in other humans being in sin."

No. Not at all. That was nothing to do with he questions the Council was trying to solve when they said Mary is the Theotokos. We're not even having the same conversation here.