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   Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:17:48 JST Alex Gleason

   The New International Version (NIV) of the Holy Bible is copyright 1973© Biblica, Inc. All rights reserved.

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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:18:18 JST Alex Gleason

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     Free Software Bible apps are NOT ALLOWED to include NIV or risk being sued!

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     ?? أحمد ?? (ahmad@bassam.social)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:30:33 JST ?? أحمد ??

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     @alex how did they copyright a Bible??
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:30:33 JST Alex Gleason

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     • ?? أحمد ??

     @ahmad For example:

     • Winnie the Pooh (Book, 1926) is under Public Domain
     • Christopher Robin (Movie, 2018) is copyright© Disney

     A Derivative Work of something in the Public Domain becomes copyrighted.

     NIV is the Disney of Bibles. And they’re making a lot of $$$!

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     MattZ (colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:33:09 JST MattZ

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     • ?? أحمد ??
     @ahmad @alex By rewriting it, it's public domain so your rewrite is copyrighted, and yes translations counts as derived work.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:33:16 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Justin Thomas 🛡

     @justin “Used with permission” is the agreement. No clue what that looks like.

     Also KJV was published in 1611 and is in the Public Domain.

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     Justin Thomas 🛡 (justin@ser.endipito.us)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:33:43 JST Justin Thomas 🛡

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     @alex Translations (NIV, ESV, KJV, etc.) are copyrighted, but you can generally still find them in free Bible apps (I don't know what agreements are in place to facilitate that).

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     Justin Thomas 🛡 (justin@ser.endipito.us)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:37:12 JST Justin Thomas 🛡

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     @alex the crown has a perpetual copyright on KJV. That might not mean anything outside of the UK, though.

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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:38:22 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Justin Thomas 🛡

     @justin Holy shit, you’re right! That is insane. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version#Copyright_status

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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:42:17 JST Alex Gleason

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     • ? Mr. Frenly?

     @5th_level_druid We just discovered that KJV is taxed in Britain, being held captive basically.

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     ? Mr. Frenly? (5th_level_druid@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:42:18 JST ? Mr. Frenly?

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     @alex Schizo theory:
     The NIV is copywritten because it's the word of man not the word of God (like the KJV)
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     MattZ (colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:53:15 JST MattZ

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     • ? Mr. Frenly?
     @alex @5th_level_druid Copyright is a British invention afterall.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:54:30 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Shari Vegas :windmill_of_friendship: :1488:

     @ShariVegas But I watched a YouTube video that says KJV did the same thing.

     Also, if I’m going to read the Bible (a thing I already don’t believe is true), I at least want it to be easy.

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     Shari Vegas :windmill_of_friendship: :1488: (sharivegas@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:54:32 JST Shari Vegas :windmill_of_friendship: :1488:

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     @alex doesn't matter too much, because the NIV is junk for anything but reference for public speaking, and even then I'm using a late 80s version to do that. The NIV violates Biblical doctrine of changing, adding and removing from the Word of God.
     
     I usually suggest sticking to the KJV, plus interlinears because even some KJV translations aren't perfect.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:56:13 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Shari Vegas :windmill_of_friendship: :1488:

     @ShariVegas “Hey guys let’s try to convince this atheist to become Christian. Just have him read this book from 400 years ago with terminology that doesn’t make sense and requires a dictionary at every verse. That’ll work!”

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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:58:45 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Shari Vegas :windmill_of_friendship: :1488:
     • Bloodytailspike

     @monsterislandcolonizer @ShariVegas New American Standard Bible Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995, 2020 by The Lockman Foundation A Corporation Not for Profit La Habra, California All Rights Reserved

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     Bloodytailspike (monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 02:58:46 JST Bloodytailspike

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     • Shari Vegas :windmill_of_friendship: :1488:
     @alex @ShariVegas NASB sir
     Very readable
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     Bloodytailspike (monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 03:11:30 JST Bloodytailspike

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     • Shari Vegas :windmill_of_friendship: :1488:
     @alex @ShariVegas biblegateway.com/
     >select NASB
     >Add to home screen
     I don't understand the problem
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 03:11:30 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Bloodytailspike

     @monsterislandcolonizer @ShariVegas The problem is I want to read NIV/NASB here. In this 100% Open Source (compatible with the teachings of Jesus) app installed on F-Droid. And I can’t. Not because the creator of the app didn’t add it, but because they CAN’T add it because it’s copyrighted.

     The website you linked got permission to use it, and might be paying them money.

     Anyone who redistributes NIV or NASB needs permission. Which… kind of goes against the point of Christianity? So who is to blame here, religious institutions or Capitalism?

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     Berkeley Berkman (berkberkman@bae.st)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 03:14:24 JST Berkeley Berkman

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     • Bloodytailspike
     @alex @ShariVegas @monsterislandcolonizer The "New" King James Version is copyrighted: Copyright © 1982 by HarperCollins. All Rights Reserved.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 03:14:24 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Bloodytailspike

     @berkberkman @ShariVegas @monsterislandcolonizer Harper Collins in this case is likely claiming authorship over a foreword, or the formatting of the pages, or the cover. Not the text itself.

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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 03:20:08 JST Alex Gleason

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     @colinsmatt11 @Paulo @justin I built Soapbox mostly on my own for 2 years without financial support. So I think someone can translate a Bible.

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     MattZ (colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 03:20:09 JST MattZ

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     @Paulo @alex @justin Keeping any project running for a few years is hard, anything else you have to say?
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     MattZ (colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 03:20:10 JST MattZ

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     @Paulo @alex @justin It's just an old book, won't take more than few years.
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     paulo (paulo@marsey.moe)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 03:20:10 JST paulo

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     @colinsmatt11 @alex @justin it can be done, but don't underestimate it, keeping a project like that running for a few years is hard
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     MattZ (colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 03:20:11 JST MattZ

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     • Justin Thomas 🛡
     @alex @justin It's possible to hire some linguists and translate the original script from greek/herbew and release it under a free license.
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     paulo (paulo@marsey.moe)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 03:20:11 JST paulo

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     @colinsmatt11 @alex @justin translating the bible is a monumental effort, most groups eventually give up
     and if you want to hire other people to translate, you're going to need a lot of money
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     Snugglefist (snugglefist@freezepeach.online)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 03:21:15 JST Snugglefist

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     • Bloodytailspike
     This app has the NASB available: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/net.bible.android.activity/
     
     However, if you're going to try to read the Bible, I've found that you have to reconcile yourself to the fact that it is not a single book, but a collection of books written in several ancient dead languages. There are numerous English translations that span the range of dynamic and formal equivalence. The app I linked has some great language tools built in that can help with trying to understand the original meaning.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 03:21:30 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Bloodytailspike
     • Snugglefist

     @snugglefist @ShariVegas @monsterislandcolonizer Thank you, I’ll download this one.

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     Shari Vegas :windmill_of_friendship: :1488: (sharivegas@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz)'s status on Sunday, 11-Dec-2022 03:48:22 JST Shari Vegas :windmill_of_friendship: :1488:

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     @alex Look, I'll be honest: The practice of Christianity is a fucking shitshow. I wouldn't just take anyone's word at face value, because everyone's got some sort of agenda.
     
     That said, the Bible is NOT easy. If it was, I'm not sure we'd be having these conversations. But look, you're not alone, Alex. I'm not going to point you anywhere else, but instead if you do take up reading it, and have questions, come to me directly. I'll give you a hand with it to the best of my ability. I think the biggest weak point in my Bible studies is mostly the same as any other who spends a lot of time in study: Psalms.
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