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   pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:26 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
   :mgsgb_1:? People claim that the GDPR/EU "Right to be forgotten" stuff applies to random fedi instances.
   :mgsgb_2::mycomputer: I compile a list of the intersection of these people with people that have blocked FSE.
   :mgsgb_3::putingoggles2: I email/message/etc. demanding that they remove FSE from fediblock and their blocklists.
   :mgsgb_4::idontknowmuchaboutcomputers: :mgsgb_questionmark::mgsgb_questionmark::mgsgb_questionmark::mgsgb_questionmark:
   :mgsgb_5::ancapshades: PROFIT!!!
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     pawlicker (pawlicker@pawlicker.ddns.net)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:08:47 JST pawlicker

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     • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
     @miscbrains @p @xue @icedquinn @lanodan bro just use a core 2 duo from a thrift store (except goodwill they dump it all in ewaste now). It'll do anything a rpi does and run emulators better.
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     Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn: (miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:08:48 JST Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:

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     @p@freespeechextremist.com @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @icedquinn@blob.cat @xue@freespeechextremist.com If a pihole was a ~$20 dollar thingy you just told normies to plug into their router- and it did it's shit with 0 or minimal config we'd be having a different conversation. But pi's are going up in price, and while it isn't a nightmare to set one up. It's lightyears beyond the general public to set it up. And in the event that we somehow were able to get a cheap and effective device - the major ISP's would likely lobby to have them outlawed. They want their hooks in DNS too.

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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:08:49 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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     @lanodan @icedquinn @xue Compare ease of adoption between pihole and "Click on this invidious link".
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:08:51 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • xue
     @p @icedquinn @xue Because it's one way of making Android less of a surveillance device?
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:08:52 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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     @lanodan @icedquinn @xue Why would they bother with pihole? They've put effort into killing youtube-dl/ytdlp/invidious/etc. (Given their global share of the browser market, it should be easy to tell why they have only somewhat neutered adblockers in Chrome rather than killing them completely.)
     
     My point is that you look at what they put effort into trying to kill if you want to tell which things hurt them. The things themselves will vary over time.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:08:55 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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     • xue
     @p @icedquinn @xue Erm, I mean multiple things on the same hostname.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:08:57 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @p @icedquinn @xue I think you can still use adblockers into Google Chrome though and it's quite trivial to render them null or inefficient.
     And I don't think they tried to render dns-level stuff like the pi-hole either inefficient or way too blunt by using multiple hostnames for the same thing (like google analytics is on it's own domain).
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:08:58 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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     @lanodan @icedquinn @xue Ad blockers are not completely effective, but if you look at the effort from Google trying to kill them, they appear to matter to Google. I mean, you look at the things Google is actually trying to stop, those are the things that are effective.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:00 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @p @icedquinn @xue Yeah, Google could even lock their employees out of their buildings without it being much of a problem in the long term.
     
     As for how effective ad-blockers are, I'm not sure. Quite a lot of people have been using ad-blockers and I haven't really seen much change except anti-adblock messages being a thing (where I then just close the page).
     Ads on internet have been there for decades and it seems to be a growing industry.
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:01 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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     @lanodan @icedquinn @xue Ineffectual strategy. People have blocked Google's buildings, bus routes. Google doesn't give a damn that their employees at one location were moderately inconvenienced for one day. Google cares about youtube-dl, Google cares about ad-blockers.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:03 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • xue
     @icedquinn @p @xue You don't need to be part of the military to block buildings.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:04 JST iced depresso

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • xue
     @lanodan @p @xue I don't work for the state :ablobcatpopcorn:
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:06 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • iced depresso
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     @icedquinn @p @xue
     > sieged Google
     
     Why didn't you?
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:07 JST iced depresso

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
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     @lanodan @p @xue do drugs or protest they bring paramilitary force.
     
     why hasn't the military sieged Google
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:09 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @icedquinn @p @xue Which isn't surprising, data privacy offices are massively understaffed.
     There's literally more money for online anti-piracy than data privacy…
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:10 JST iced depresso

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • xue
     @xue @lanodan @p Europe makes ONE good law and then fails to meaningfully enforce it :blobfoxgoogly:
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     xue (xue@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:11 JST xue

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @lanodan @p
     Just disable js and stop being french fagot?
     that might be a solution?
     thats only my proposal, you know
     food for thought
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:12 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • xue
     @xue @p That's because you see the tip of the iceberg.
     
     For example, Google is pretty much illegal but cannot be shut down / blocked out without causing a riot (and probably locking some normies into/out-of their house but that one would be fun).
     Turns out a lot of Google's harm comes from integration on other website, stuff like Google Analytics.
     What did GDPR do there? Reduce the usage of Google Analytics quite significantly.
     
     There's also other fun things GDPR did, like making it illegal for phone companies to sell your data (incl. phone number) without your consent.
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     xue (xue@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:14 JST xue

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @lanodan @p
     
     How it changed for me
     
     Before EU laws:
     - clear cookies when closing browser
     After EU laws:
     - clear cookies when closing browser
     - search and block those banners and thats only when site allows you to load it without first accepting cookies
     
     Conclusion:
     EU is fake and annoying, just like germans who control it
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:15 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @xue @p
     What it changed:
     - Now we can sue Amazon/Google/… for something other than pocket money when they do not respect data privacy laws. I don't expect Americans to understand regulations though.
     - Cookie banners? Those sites were already infested by crap, you don't need them if your shit is done at least a tiny bit correctly. To me this is like being annoyed that the glasses in They Live prevent you from seeing fatty burgers that a normal human cannot eat. The next shit you'll see on the website is crap asking you to click on boats.
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     xue (xue@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:16 JST xue

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @p @lanodan nothing
     nothing made removing cookies more annoying than that law and those banners
     
     also
     
     LET ME COUNT PPL WHO CHANGED THEIR HABITS BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE TO CLICK THROUGH BANER
     
     0... 0... 0....
     
     YEAH, EXACTLY FUCKING NONE
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:17 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @lanodan Right; they are mistaken. (See previous parenthetical remark under several newlines.) But if their server is in the EU/EEA *or* they are providing services to citizens of the EU, it applies. (Otherwise I want those stupid cookie banners to go away.)
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:18 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @lanodan That link appears to be about compatibility with other countries' laws.
     
     "This Regulation shall extend to all natural persons, regardless of their ethnicity or place of residence, concerning the collection of their personal details." The scope extends wherever goods or services are provided to EU citizens or within the EEA.
     
     (The *purported* scope, anyway. Extra territorium jus dicenti impune non paretur. :gadsen:)
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:18 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @p Ah yeah, foreigners would also get GDPR rights within EEA, this way it's also compatible with another country's equivalent of GDPR.
     But FSE is in USA.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:20 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @p >It applies to servers located in the EU; people have attempted to claim that FSE is violating the GDPR.
     No no no.
     
     GDPR is protecting EU residents rights, regardless of where the fuck the data, servers, admins, … are present, because those simply do not really matter. Incidentally, anything in USA because of garbage like the patriot act, can't guarantee those rights and so are deemed inappropriate, because you cannot ask someone if it's okay to ignore their rights. (How the hell is it supposed to work with stuff like federation and exclusively USA services? I don't know.)
     Appropriate countries being on: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/international-dimension-data-protection/adequacy-decisions_en/
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:21 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @lanodan
     
     > but one that knows about GDPR (which doesn't even applies to you)
     
     It applies to servers located in the EU; people have attempted to claim that FSE is violating the GDPR.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     (...But the point is that these people are mistaken. Anyone knowledgeable about the GDPR is not going to claim that FSE or any other random fedi server has violated it. That is the joke.)
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:22 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @p true, but one that knows about GDPR (which doesn't even applies to you) won't honor your request or use the hashsum+wildcard censoring thing if it's a mastodon (nut sure why they have that).
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:23 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @lanodan Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:24 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @lanodan I could make a case that it does, but it should be trivial in the cases where they have personally insulted me.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:24 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @p I think that's more defamation kind of stuff.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:09:25 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @p I don't think "freespeechextremist.com" qualifies as personal data.
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     pawlicker (pawlicker@pawlicker.ddns.net)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:16:07 JST pawlicker

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     @r000t @p danger to the trans community ?
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     GNU/r000t (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:16:08 JST GNU/r000t

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     @p Remember when I gave you that huge "What if?" about Section 230 being repealed, and I used kysalicia as an example of someone opening their instance up to liability and (to them) even worse, discovery?

     They either baleted their account or were b& shortly afterwards.

     But yeah, they were telling everyone who'd listen to take me to international court. Others were also mentioning the GDPR specifically when I was making fake scraper instances.

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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:16:09 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     @r000t Ah, I do remember her, I just do not remember her doing *that*. Isn't she still around?
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     @p
     You don't remember kysalicia?

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     pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Dec-2022 17:16:11 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     • GNU/r000t
     @r000t Ha, have they waggled the GDPR at you?
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     @p
     They'll just lawyer a way that gdpr covers, for example, my single user instance in the US, but not their 10k user instance owned by a guy in the EU and hosted in the EU.

     I've found that the vast majority of people have never read a statute. They just assume that whatever they think is fair and right, just so happens to be what the law says, because why wouldn't it?