SecondJon
@freemo @toxomat @shelenn @ceoln the latest comment reads to me as.... Despite proof Yay all stated concerns are resolved, there's still problems and if you don't know, I'm not going to tell you.
Hardly treating others well with that kind of attitude. Feels less like a vetted list and more like.. the Paula Don't Like You list. ?
Treating others well is one thing I think #qoto is known for. Sad that the idea isn't shared more widely.
Dmitri Ravinoff
@ceoln
freemo is obviously evil b/c he used a scraper coded by someone associated with an evil webpage. Have to take that seriouly. I used ReiserFS in the past, please don't tell anybody.
ceoln
Good heavens! That section of the talk page certainly makes it clear now the kind of thing that's going on. It really is just a Paula Don't Like You List, which is a fine thing for Paula to have, but it distresses me that it's being advertised as some kind of centralized list that people can use.
Even though it says that everyone using it should check every item, people are lazy, and some aren't going to do that.
The point that no mod should be that lazy is well taken, so maybe any such servers are no great loss anyway, but I feel sorry for their users.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
They dont have to agree with the conclusions fromt he evidence, but they should fell an obligation to provide it to others when you share this stuff publicly.
When i am talking about someone if they reply with a counter argument and i later publish evidence against them I will go out of my way to include their counter argument even if I think it is nonsense, because of a sense of integrity to presenting all the information to my reader so they can make an informed, not forced, decision.
But yes I agree with your final conclusion that any evidence against a server should be based on the content of the timeline.
Dmitri Ravinoff
@freemo
I fear this "hard evidence" - talk is also misleading. The topic is inherently subjective. You have a way of formulating stuff subtly provocative. Might trigger (wrongly, I suppose) asshole-detection-heuristics in some people. But I believe the way out is simply not to try suss out admin's character but look at actual content at an instance.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I would have been happy if she just accepts evidence that is agains her conclusions just so others who use the list have an informed decision rather than a very intentionally cherry picked set of "gotchas" with everything proving it to be a lie just hidden away.... shows a lack of integrity to say the least.
Dmitri Ravinoff
@ceoln
More seriously, I know @PaulaToThePeople as a smart & honest person doing considerable voluntary work for the good cause. Even though I don't agree with her on this issue at all.
Maybe we all should try to become less personal and agree on something like "reason to block an instance should be apparent from looking at the local timeline for a while". Perceived admin's character shouldn't play a role.
@SecondJon @freemo @shelenn
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