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   Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jun-2026 20:38:17 JST Tim Chambers

   Scott Galloway said he thought #Bluesky "cute and adorable & will die a slow & painful death " While noting that's "just vibes I haven't looked at the data... "I think it is a better brand than a business right now." (While he does praise small, independent digital players and newsletter platforms.)

   While some Fediverse folks might applaud such a dark view of Bluesky's outcome, my view is no one who cares about the open social web should root for their failing 1 of 2.

   https://www.threads.com/@brittainforsenate/post/DaEF0Rskgiv/media

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     Scott Jenson (scottjenson@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jun-2026 20:49:00 JST Scott Jenson

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     @tchambers completely agree! We can quibble about execution but the forces against BlueSky are broadly the same ones against the Fediverse.

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jun-2026 21:10:10 JST Tim Chambers

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     On of Paul Frazee (of Bluesky's) comments that I loved was when he said in essence: that even though Blueksy and the Fediverse intentionally were doing different things that he only wished success for activtypub systems. And that we have to root "for every [open social] baby turtle to make it to the sea."

     If Bluesky fails, or for that matter Nostr, etc, the whole of the open social web effort is diminished, and closed proprietary networks get that much more entrenched. (2 of 3)

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jun-2026 21:14:35 JST Tim Chambers

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     To the contrary: If Bluesky wins, or if Nostr or some new open, decentralized social platform wins, that only benefits the whole.

     The open social web is ONE web.

     I get prefering one, but being religious over ActivtyPub, vs ATProto vs Nostr protocols is silly and like POP3 email vs SMTP email etc, when in reality it was all ONE email system.

     Just so, the whole open social web benefits and is enriched by ANY of the other succeeding.

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jun-2026 22:51:01 JST Tim Chambers

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     • Angela Scholder

     @warrows @AngelaScholder Hmmmm. I get being conscerned about businesses putting user harm as an acceptable thing to get profits. But are you are ideologially opposed to all businesses embracing the open social web period?

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     Angela Scholder (angelascholder@mastodon.energy)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jun-2026 22:51:11 JST Angela Scholder

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     @tchambers I really couldn't care about Bluesky going under, just only less than Twitter, Meta, and Google going under. And that's only because they haven't shown being evil (yet!). But, as they are a commercial entity gaining for (large) profits, just let them also go down the drain.

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     warrows (warrows@calckey.warrows.fr)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jun-2026 22:51:11 JST warrows

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     • Angela Scholder

     @AngelaScholder @tchambers yeah, you can (and you should) oppose Bluesky on the grounds of it being a business. It's not a question of atproto vs activitypub but rather a question of openness, decentralization and putting the users before profit. And bluesky being a company with shareholders makes profit the only goal it aims for. That profit goes before users wellbeing, before keeping a fair protocol and pushes against decentralization because centralization and walled gardens lead to monopolies ie more profitable business.
     That's the same reasoning that leads supporters of activitypub to be against threads (meta) using it

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     Nemo (iinavpov@mastodon.online)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jun-2026 22:55:33 JST Nemo

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     • warrows
     • Angela Scholder

     @warrows
     uhhh, if individuals can't build their own infrastructure, the protocol is not "open". Not in a useful sense.
     @tchambers @AngelaScholder

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jun-2026 22:55:33 JST Tim Chambers

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     • warrows
     • Angela Scholder

     @iinavpov @warrows @AngelaScholder I agree Bluesky is harder for individuals to do the whole infra, and I share that concern, but I think increasingly large chucks of it can be done by individuals, or groups of individuals, and to some cases almost all or all by independent orgs like: https://github.com/blacksky-algorithms/atproto

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jun-2026 22:56:00 JST Tim Chambers

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     • opulentpaving

     @mattmaison Very true that. And it would set back the overall social web by years to decades.

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     opulentpaving (mattmaison@mastodon.world)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jun-2026 22:56:01 JST opulentpaving

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     @tchambers

     I think if blusky fails everyone will go to a worse option.

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jun-2026 23:39:28 JST Tim Chambers

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     • Angela Scholder

     @warrows @AngelaScholder I'd suggest that there can be models that work, just not once based on invasive advertising, etc. Frankly much of Mastodon servers are hosted by private businesses. Most blogs (increasingly social enabled) are hosted by private businesses, etc.

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     warrows (warrows@calckey.warrows.fr)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jun-2026 23:39:30 JST warrows

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     • Angela Scholder

     @tchambers @AngelaScholder I'm not ideologically opposed to it but I fail to see how a business can operate social network services and be competitive in the long run without being harmful to its users

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jun-2026 23:40:35 JST Tim Chambers

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     • Angela Scholder

     @iinavpov @warrows @AngelaScholder I need to go look: what parts of ATproto does blacksky not do on their own these days?

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     Nemo (iinavpov@mastodon.online)'s status on Saturday, 27-Jun-2026 23:40:36 JST Nemo

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     • Angela Scholder

     @tchambers

     "almost" does a lot in that statement...

     like a compiler that can "almost" produce linkable code.

     or an oracle that "almost" predicts the future...
     @warrows @AngelaScholder

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     Wish the sun to stand still 🌞 (tasket@infosec.exchange)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jun-2026 02:52:45 JST Wish the sun to stand still 🌞

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     @tchambers The structural issues are WAY bigger than how email client transfers are done. Its a poor analogy.

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Sunday, 28-Jun-2026 02:52:45 JST Tim Chambers

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     • Wish the sun to stand still 🌞

     @tasket Where do you think the analogy fails specifically?

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     Tim Chambers (tchambers@indieweb.social)'s status on Monday, 29-Jun-2026 22:56:37 JST Tim Chambers

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     • william ⁂ maggos

     @wjmaggos I undertand having a preference. For me, I think Nostr has an insufficient means for content moderation (which they would say is a feature not a bug) however, the whole open social web is improved by them being bridged into it, and my posts here improve (I think) Nostr by the fact that I can bridge my posts to them.

     Gopher actually does still exist and ties into and benefits one web. (An extremely tiny part but I suppose it meets that communities needs)

     https://gopher.fyi

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     william ⁂ maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Monday, 29-Jun-2026 22:56:38 JST william ⁂ maggos

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     @tchambers

     wouldn't having half or more of the web on Gopher made for a worse web and helped prolong the dominance of AOL etc? sorry but that's how I see it.

     And of course the people who came late to the party with VC backing are playing nice. they always do, until they outlast the competitors and don't fear what users will do when they enshittify. it doesn't matter how nice their team is, they will get moved out as necessary.

     the app view is nice but it naturally centralizes network power.