@f0x (usually it takes the form of "creativity! dynamism! industry! silicon valley! hollywood!" they have almost a spiritual arrogance-- when they get together and talk about what's special about the place (and they seem to talk about it a lot) it's like they're in awe of themselves. and in a way, yeah, I can kind of see it, maybe they should be, something about the place enables that kind of exuberance, and they have the accomplishments to back it up. but I think something about that level of success kind of changes their calibration, making them unable to see how these same forces also enable delusional ways of life-- adhering to crazy ideologies despite obvious evidence to the contrary, insane competitiveness, decadent wealth etc. it's a place with no balance. nietzche's "why [that] can overcome any how," but their 'why' so often becomes something like self-aggrandizement)
rofl holy shit I'm making my thesis now aren't i? I blame the weed-- but at least I seem coherent.
@f0x I am actually kind of curious though what his arguments for it are going to be like-- if they're any different from the usual stuff I've heard and read from claifornians
@f0x I'm honestly being flippant as joke, but it actually has major structural/cultural/psychological problems that go far deeper than just a few bad ideas taking hold-- tldr the best things about it (and those things are considerable-- including in the aforementioned structural/cultural/psychologial domains) weirdly looped around to enabling the worst things.
> The billboards along the stretch of the 101 that sweeps Silicon Valley have been punchy and declarative lately, advertising apps and other software products that transcend all context and grammatical structure. “We fixed dinner” (meal delivery). “Ask your developer” (cloud-based communications). “How tomorrow works” (file storage). The ads get less dystopian the farther you get from the city: by the airport, they grow international-businessman corporate, and as the land turns over into suburbs you can almost hear the gears shift. A financial-services company — one that’s been around for more than a century, a provider of life insurance, investment management, and, in the 1980s, bald-faced fraud — holds a mirror to an audience that perhaps won’t want to recognize itself. The ad reads, “Donate to a worthy cause: your retirement.” > I attend a networking event at an office whose walls are hung with inspirational posters that quote tech luminaries I’ve never heard of. The posters say things like “Life is short: build stuff that matters” and “Innovate or die.” I am dead. Our interior designer tried hanging posters like these in our office; the front-end engineers relocated them to the bathroom, placed them face to the wall. The event is packed; people roam in clusters, like college freshmen during orientation week. There are a few women, but most of the attendees are young men in start-up twinsets: I pass someone wearing a branded hoodie, unzipped to reveal a shirt with the same logo. I google the company on my cellphone to see what it is, to see if they’re hiring. “We have loved mobile since we saw Steve Jobs announce the first iPhone,” their website declares, and I close the browser, thinking, "how basic".
@bajax@f0x I mean, this is a thing you see from Silicon Valley and shit but San Diego is farther south than Atlanta and Crescent City is farther north than New York. Like, think about Atlanta versus New York and lumping them in together. Most of the country's cheese and strawberries and shit come from California: do you think there are many dairy farmers "crushing KPIs"? Hipsters in skinny jeans harvesting tomatoes? Lotta fuckin' rednecks in the state. JPL and Cal Tech are two of the nerdiest fucking institutions to exist, and it's Deep Nerd shit, not "analytics dashboards". It is a really big fucking place, you know? Lumping everyone in with SF is like lumping wherever you are in with DC or New York just because you're in the same country. Think about how different Houston is from Austin.
@f0x@p I think she was a hostess, or maybe a manager-- she was messing around with slips of paper-- but she was studiously facing the wall when there were a lot of other work surfaces around and she had tight khakis on-- she knew what she was doing.
@f0x@bajax@p you work service jobs you find that there aren't actually a whole heck of a lot of truly abhorrent individuals. Maybe that's just the civilized part of the world coloring my impression but, yeah, in my experience most people are pretty normal/nice
@f0x@bajax@p yeah, I knew some other people who qualified similarly. They were nice but I find that they either come out awful or, if they are nice, they tend to be strange
@p@bajax not just gladiators. you have jousting, you have brawling (global occurrence, obviously.), the brets had "shin kicking" the sport. Scandinavians, and specifically the nomadic ones, had "leg tug of war", it was over fires. they tied fire resistant animal skin-ropes to eachothers ankles or knees and played tug of war until someone fell into the fire
@f0x@bajax Yeah. It's like padded bras but for a butt. This is not an LA thing but there are some demographics in which this is popular and thus where the pants are sold.
@p@bajax@f0x I imagine a trip to Bakersfield and Fresno would change a few minds about California. I did phone survey work a while back, and people from Eureka seemed really chill. None of the preening vanity you see in LA or the snobbery you get in SF.
All transplants. It's why I can't stand West LA, like, there's this weird idea of an "LA type" and it's based around greasy record execs and vain actors and models and whatnot and people show up and then try to imitate that type of person; shitty feedback loop. Luckily, outside some very specific parts of the city, people don't tend to be movie-adjacent so you don't run into them.
I will say, like, the constant influx of hot transplants is why, once you've been in LA a while, you don't think twice about the number of dimes that work as baristas or whatever and this kinda spoils you when you go to other parts of the country.
@f0x@bajax@p me too, although I am trying to break my habit a little and promote as many as I can to full sentences so that my posts don't look like a lispy forth
@pwm@bajax@p i hope my posts become incorrectly spelled dracula flow style with lispy forth breakdowns. i'll leave the human words to the blog or whatever.
@pwm@bajax@p I DON'T HAVE ONE YET I AM WORKING ON IT! p told me i should start one and i agreed because i need to work on short story publicity and tell the world all my crazy thoughts!
> Even for conservatives who hate California don't realize how conservative it actually is in parts outside major cities.
Yeah, or, like, people don't tend to understand that LA is not SF, even. San Diego, in fact, spent about ten years forgetting that it isn't LA, to its own detriment; if they'd continued, then there wouldn't have ever been a reason to drive down there.
But yeah, you drive up the coast and you see farmers with signs about Nancy Pelosi; people near Ventura call it "Ventucky". LA isn't quite like people tend to think, and the rest of the state isn't LA. Like, even just a little ways out, Chino or Lake Gregory or whatever, you wouldn't know that you're not far from LA if you suddenly woke up there.
@p@bajax@f0x I've only visited OC and a small amount in LA proper. Considering a Nebraska dime is a Chicago nickel, I can imagine what it's like there.
> the gist of it is that the most obvious things are often the hardest to see.
This sort of thing never sounds like it rests on the assumption that someone else knows my homeland better than I do or like I've never lived elsewhere and thus have no basis for comparison. There are things you've seen and things you've heard and some of those things are interesting but going much past that is a little like hearing a European's grand theory on America: "That's nice."
> it's gonna be more a psychological profile of the whole state
This was kind of my point: you can't really do that. You can do a city (being spread out, LA's a difficult city to do; takes a month to see the whole place and most people are confined to Hollywood, Santa Monica, and a thin stretch between them. You take an equivalently sized strip of the east coast and you get an intractable problem. The state line is a line drawn on a map, it's not the people. Austin and Houston are not remotely similar and they're closer than LA and San Diego. Try to come up with a unified profile of the whole of Texas and you will be wrong.
> my direct experiences with it were actually all people from redding lol
Well, people in Redding when you stayed in Redding or people that left Redding? These are different sample sets.
@p@f0x the gist of it is that the most obvious things are often the hardest to see. it's gonna be more a psychological profile of the whole state-- and keep in mind I don't actually dislike california lol. my direct experiences with it were actually all people from redding lol
but this is the legendary Pete we're talking about here, I want to go in without distractions and right now I'm trying to meet a deadline that's kicking my ass (boss keeps "helping" and making things harder)
It has it's moments. It's like an upbeat x-files, but more cheeky and with a wider assortment of scifi topics.
Another one of those shows where it's chill, but haunted by cringe fringe fans who are like OMG I cried during every character development, and thank god the writers got to jump the shark with the final season emotional scenes and every character got their obvious ship so I can watch it 50 times and post on Facebook about how it always makes me cry. So you never want to tell anybody you watched it except for girls who are into it that you want to lay.
They use this 3D effect where it says "Boston" in giant 3d windows screen saver letters, but it's hovering over the streets of Boston in between the skyscrapers like a ufo.
When I watched some with the kids, we had a good time pretending that the letters were the spooky part, and inciting living room panic chaos during major scene transitions.