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   mhoye (mhoye@cosocial.ca)'s status on Thursday, 07-May-2026 07:27:12 JST mhoye

   It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. Thirty plus years of deep-grooved Debian/RedHat muscle memory to a one, quietly tidying up and looking for the exits.

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     Mason Loring Bliss (mason@partychickens.net)'s status on Thursday, 07-May-2026 07:27:11 JST Mason Loring Bliss

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     @mhoye Not that the BSDs are in any way a bad option, but don't forget that it's entirely reasonable to use Debian without systemd. I'm doing it now.

     It's well-supported by active volunteers:

     https://packages.debian.org/trixie/sysvinit-core

     And there are other good options: Slackware and Alpine stand out. Gentoo is a bit heavy with its config syntax, but it's a super solid option.

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     mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 07-May-2026 07:27:33 JST mcc

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     • Mason Loring Bliss

     @mason @mhoye yeah, but what *i'm* concerned about is "AI code assistant" use in systemd, and my understanding is dropping systemd won't help there (because the Linux kernel is also infected)

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     mhoye (mhoye@cosocial.ca)'s status on Thursday, 07-May-2026 07:28:45 JST mhoye

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     • Lisa Lorenzin KR4LFE (she/her)

     @llorenzin If I was building containers or basic infra right now, alpine is decisively minimalist in terms of both system requirements and drama.

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     Lisa Lorenzin KR4LFE (she/her) (llorenzin@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 07-May-2026 07:28:46 JST Lisa Lorenzin KR4LFE (she/her)

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     @mhoye I'm looking seriously at Alpine Linux vs Devuan... We had to rebuild our internal server recently (which had been happily running CentOS 4 for over a decade, we are not power users), and it was a total PITA - systemd is a shitshow even without this age nonsense. I'm too old and too cranky to be excited about learning a new distro, but here I am.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-May-2026 07:31:20 JST Rich Felker

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     • Matt Palmer
     • Matt Panaro

     @womble @eigen @mhoye This is systemd and the author/maintainer works for Microsoft. That alone should be disqualifying for having his software in the role it's in.

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     Matt Palmer (womble@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 07-May-2026 07:31:21 JST Matt Palmer

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     • Matt Panaro

     @eigen Linux got taken over by the corporate bootlicker class years ago.

     @mhoye

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     Matt Panaro (eigen@mattstodon.panar.ooo)'s status on Thursday, 07-May-2026 07:31:22 JST Matt Panaro

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     @mhoye do you have any insight into how the hell the age check even made it a whole hour into Linux in the first place? It's possible I'm being hopelessly naïve here, but I really thought every Linux user/admin/programmer/whoever would've literally rioted in the streets before countenancing anything remotely like it.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 07-May-2026 07:58:49 JST Rich Felker

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     • Matt Palmer

     @womble Hardly. These people don't have much leverage with the folks who actually make decisions, and every bad thing they do burns what little political goodwill they have.

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     Matt Palmer (womble@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 07-May-2026 07:58:50 JST Matt Palmer

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     • Rich Felker

     @dalias you'd absolutely hope so, but the "embrace" phase has been completed, the "extend" phase is in full swing, and arguably the "extinguish" phase is already rolling.

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 07-May-2026 11:03:59 JST iced depresso

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     @mhoye anything to avoid throwing the congressmen out of office for taking the heaps of dark money and passing the laws, i guess.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 07-May-2026 23:12:28 JST iced depresso

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     • yeahyeahyens
     @yeahyeahyens @mhoye union men threw cops in the harbor. the fuck do you mean "back then"
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     yeahyeahyens (yeahyeahyens@det.social)'s status on Thursday, 07-May-2026 23:12:37 JST yeahyeahyens

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     • iced depresso

     @icedquinn @mhoye the lawmakers are just the guys from college back in the day, only they went to law school. And they’re friends with a lot of people who own companies, and you’re actually connected to them. It’s the same as it was back then: live and let live. there will never be a gen-x-nerd revolution.