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    anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 12:35:35 JST anime graf mays ?️? anime graf mays ?️?
    • pistolero
    @p halloween came early this year get spooked nigger (actually it's not as bad as v6) https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-thain-ipv8-00.html
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      Internet Protocol Version 8 (IPv8)
      from Jamie Thain
      Internet Protocol Version 8 (IPv8) is a managed network protocol suite that transforms how networks of every scale -- from home networks to the global internet -- are operated, secured, and monitored. Every manageable element in an IPv8 network is authorised via OAuth2 JWT tokens served from a local cache. Every service a device requires is delivered in a single DHCP8 lease response. Every packet transiting to the internet is validated at egress against a DNS8 lookup and a WHOIS8 registered active route. Network telemetry, authentication, name resolution, time synchronisation, access control, and translation are unified into a single coherent Zone Server platform. IPv4 is a proper subset of IPv8. An IPv8 address with the routing prefix field set to zero is an IPv4 address. No existing device, application, or network requires modification. The suite is 100% backward compatible. There is no flag day and no forced migration at any layer. IPv8 also resolves IPv4 address exhaustion. Each Autonomous System Number (ASN) holder receives 4,294,967,296 host addresses. The global routing table is structurally bounded at one entry per ASN. This document is one of the companion specifications: draft-thain-ipv8-00 Core protocol (this document) draft-thain-routing-protocols-00 BGP8, IBGP8, OSPF8, IS-IS8, CF draft-thain-rine-00 Regional Inter-Network Exchange draft-thain-zoneserver-00 Zone Server Architecture draft-thain-whois8-00 WHOIS8 Protocol draft-thain-netlog8-00 NetLog8 Protocol draft-thain-support8-00 ARP8, ICMPv8, Route8 draft-thain-ipv8-mib-00 IPv8 MIB and SNMPv8 draft-thain-wifi8-00 WiFi8 Protocol draft-thain-update8-00 Update8 and NIC Certification
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      Nietzschean Ekko Enjoyer (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 12:35:34 JST Nietzschean Ekko Enjoyer Nietzschean Ekko Enjoyer
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      @graf
      This is the engineering equivalent of an /x/ schizopost. I thankfully cannot find any evidence it's being backed by a single networking vendor
      @p

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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 14:39:35 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @graf Except the parts that are all wobbly, it sounds better.

      You peep this shit yet? https://fsebugoutzone.org/objects/ad4d151b-a6a1-4694-94dd-f4e60461e7f7
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      We're Going to Win. (pirin04@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 14:39:53 JST We're Going to Win. We're Going to Win.
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      • pistolero
      v6 is hot garbage:

      best line in the draft re v6:

      The operational cost of the dual-stack transition model, combined with the absence of management improvement, proved commercially unacceptable.
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      anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 14:40:18 JST anime graf mays ?️? anime graf mays ?️?
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      • pistolero
      v6 is a lot of garbage, hot it is not.

      I LOVE that this document has brought to light, if only in a tiny section the uselessness of CGNAT for 95% of its intended use cases
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 14:40:27 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @r000t @graf It's a clanker prank.
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      We're Going to Win. (pirin04@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 14:44:18 JST We're Going to Win. We're Going to Win.
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      • pistolero
      rfc1918 works too well.

      v6 is fine for carriers but enterprise customers will NEVER get onboard.

      i've never had a sales meeting going through a 4to6 conversion that went well.

      it was usually the desktop support techs who choked first. expecting a user to read back an IP that's 16 octets is laughable.
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      anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 14:48:11 JST anime graf mays ?️? anime graf mays ?️?
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      • pistolero
      it gets worse the further you go but it's still not as bad as v6
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      anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 14:49:47 JST anime graf mays ?️? anime graf mays ?️?
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      • pistolero
      I don't understand why every internet connected device needs an address in the first place. I don't like cloudflare, we have ditched them long ago but tunnels allow for something like CGNAT but on a large scale. We have the knoweldge and the tech to do that. why are we not doing that? why does Apple have an /8?
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 14:55:30 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @graf @pirin04

      > I don't understand why every internet connected device needs an address in the first place.

      It was a techno-utopianism from the early 90s. They completely ignored all of the terrible things we have learned about what happens when you connect things to the internet. It's like...we now have a completely global network, instantaneous data movement between any two corners of the earth, and if your view of how networks should work is somehow completely unchanged after an event that is unprecedented in human history, let alone in just networking, then your view is garbage. They learned nothing from any of the shit that has happened in the last 32 years. Here's RFC 1627, which was a response to RFC 1597, which established private IP spaces:

      > A common -- if not universal -- ideal for the future of IP is for every system to be globally accessible, given the proper security mechanisms. Whether such systems comprise toasters, light switches, utility power poles, field medical equipment, or the classic examples of "computers", our current model of assignment is to ensure that they can interoperate.
      > In order for such a model to work there must exist a globally unique addressing system. A common complaint throughout the community is that the existing security in host software does not allow for every (or even many) hosts in a corporate environment to have direct IP access. When this problem is addressed through proper privacy and authentication standards, non-unique IP addresses will become a bottleneck to easy deployment if the recommendations in RFC 1597 are followed.
      > The IP version 4 (IPv4) address space will be exhausted. The question is simply: when?
      > If we assert that all IP addresses must be unique globally, connected or not, then we will run out of IP address space soon.
      > If we assert that only IP addresses used on the world-wide Internet need to be globally unique, then we will run out of IP address space later.
      > It is absolutely key to keep the Internet community's attention focused on the efforts toward IP next generation (IPng), so that we may transcend the limitations of IPv4. RFC 1597 produces apparent relief from IPv4 address space exhaustion by masking those networks that are not connecting to the Internet, today. However, this apparent relief will likely produce two results: complacency on the large part of the community that does not take the long term view, and a very sudden IP address space exhaustion at some later date.

      1994, they were still saying the same shit, because they have learned *nothing*.
      rfc1627
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      We're Going to Win. (pirin04@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 14:56:00 JST We're Going to Win. We're Going to Win.
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      • pistolero
      It's usually profit driven. v6 is so hated that there's a ton of money in the secondary IP market to buy v4. I've seen older companies who bought large subnets in the early days monetize selling/leasing back their IP space.

      Kind of like domain name squatting. It's a cash grab.
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      anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 14:58:50 JST anime graf mays ?️? anime graf mays ?️?
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      • pistolero
      so it's evil of me to buy a bunch of /256 and point them at poast.,,,
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      anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 15:11:22 JST anime graf mays ?️? anime graf mays ?️?
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      • pistolero
      pete, i hate that you send me links that i have to make work to read PETE why do you do this to me you are my v6. let me piss and answer my ex and try t o find this shit
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 15:11:42 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @graf You just paste that into the search box on Poast, it will show you the post.
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      anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 16:09:26 JST anime graf mays ?️? anime graf mays ?️?
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      • pistolero
      whats your phone plan like if i call you from canada, should be 0 vs calling to canada
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      PalePimp (palepimp@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 17:05:15 JST PalePimp PalePimp
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      • pistolero
      I've never seen so much retardation in my life together in a document. All that the stupid v4+ internet protocol requires is two more octects, and backwards compatibility.

      The secret to build a network that works and is resilient is to not have interdependencies, and what is the first thing a retard does? Create interdependencies, lots of them.
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      BionicNigga, Raper of Waves 🌊 (bionicnigga@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 18:16:18 JST BionicNigga, Raper of Waves 🌊 BionicNigga, Raper of Waves 🌊
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      IPv6-7
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 18:16:25 JST pistolero pistolero
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      @BionicNigga @graf 6
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      syzygy (syzygy@dsmc.space)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 18:21:36 JST syzygy syzygy
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      • pistolero
      @p @BionicNigga @graf six seveeeeen
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      pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 18:24:13 JST pistolero pistolero
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      • syzygy
      @syzygy @BionicNigga @graf

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      zer0unplanned (zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org)'s status on Saturday, 18-Apr-2026 18:36:47 JST zer0unplanned zer0unplanned
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      @graf @p yes look at their DNS resolution it is worse then ipv6
      The new IPv8 idea requires every device to log in (authenticate) before connecting to the internet. It also forces all your traffic to be checked and logged by a central "Zone Server." This creates a system for constant surveillance, making true anonymity online impossible.

      So use your cryptDNS

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