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@NonPlayableClown @Doll @fknretardlol @alexmussolini88 @zer0unplanned @p @colonelj @Wiz @technolyze Worthy to note, Muslims don't just believe the Mahdi, the last prophet, will come to defeat Satan. They fully believe Jesus Christ will come at the end of times to assist the Madhi.
As far as the apocalypse goes, Muslims fully believe they'll be fighting on the same side as Christians.
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@pernia @Doll @technolyze @fknretardlol @Wiz @NonPlayableClown @alexmussolini88 @colonelj @p The Muslims believe as I've read that book as well that there will be no prophet sent anymore and that theirs "Muhammed" is the last one of the 99 sent before.
The end of all is described with a war caused by the Jerusalem area where Muslims will at first get beaten but then get saved by another kind of people. (The Chinese, Russia as they orthodox as well or non atheist at all? ) after that the judgement day comes if someone believes it but it freaky looks like it.
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@zer0unplanned @Doll @pernia @technolyze @fknretardlol @Wiz @NonPlayableClown @alexmussolini88 @colonelj Yeah, you mention the beliefs of clerics and imams in sects that are running some countries and people just say "Yeah BUT ISRAEL" because they have a fixation. It is like criticizing Trump and hearing "Yeah BUT BIDEN" or criticizing Biden and hearing "Yeah BUT TRUMP" or whoever. I say I think it's fine to stop Iran from building a nuke, people start whining about Israel.
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@pernia @Doll @fknretardlol @alexmussolini88 @zer0unplanned @p @NonPlayableClown @colonelj @Wiz @technolyze
Pernia is right about this. I live in the Muslim islands and man are people weird about Jesus. They think he's just like the other prophets and messengers of God, maybe even one of the greatest, up to and including that end times prophecy that Jesus will come back and help kill jews/atheists/sinners, but just to make sure outsiders don't confuse them with Christians they will never openly speak good of Jesus and pretend to be ignorant about Jesus's message.
A tangent :
I think the message against drinking wine in the Quran is also meant to draw a line in the sand between us and Christians. In case the dozens of verses saying that God neither has children nor was born didn't get that message across. The main thing Quran says about drinking is to not go to mosque and pray when you're shitfaced, and not to drink wine.... Which I believe is the case because wine is a key component of the communion ritual.
That's why drinking other kinds of alcohol was permitted in other Muslim regions for so long, eg beer in Egypt.
Something else I like in Islam tradition is how it's said that Jesus was never crucified : he was swapped out with Judas last minute as a miracle. He did still fly up to heaven a month or two after the crucifixion tho I think.
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@zer0unplanned @Doll @pernia @technolyze @fknretardlol @Wiz @NonPlayableClown @alexmussolini88 @colonelj See previous post; Russia is either too stretched to do it or (the more likely case) gave the go-ahead. Syria, Iran, Turkey. Syria and Iran just got hit. Turkey, being technically NATO on paper, is the only tricky one.
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@technolyze @Doll @fknretardlol @Wiz @NonPlayableClown @alexmussolini88 @colonelj @pernia @p You'll start a nuclear war with their allies Russia and possibly China if all goes loose. Usage of Nukes is trash talk, we all gonna be fucked with that.
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@p @pernia @Doll @fknretardlol @alexmussolini88 @zer0unplanned @NonPlayableClown @colonelj @Wiz i think it would be good if Iran had a nuke, MAD, seems to be the actual way to keep peace in the world, we should give the houtis and hamas a nuke too, the genocide at gaza will stop instantly.
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@technolyze @zer0unplanned @Doll @NonPlayableClown @Wiz @alexmussolini88 @colonelj @fknretardlol @pernia
> endless proxy wars arent that desirable either
Can't wait for *those* to stop. Welcome to the 1950s-$current_year era.
> evengelical hijacking of the government
When Michael Moore's heart explodes from corn-syrup pork chop, I will not be sad.
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@zer0unplanned @pernia @Doll @fknretardlol @alexmussolini88 @p @NonPlayableClown @colonelj @Wiz endless proxy wars arent that desirable either, at the moment for the large allies involvment is largely an economic choice - i dont think they are going to protect them with nukes, but maybe we are stupid enough to protect israel with a nuke sent from us thanks to evengelical hijacking of the government.
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@technolyze @Doll @NonPlayableClown @Wiz @alexmussolini88 @colonelj @fknretardlol @pernia @zer0unplanned
> [this is an important genocide, very important, must be stopped]
Dear god.
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@sampler @Doll @technolyze @fknretardlol @Wiz @NonPlayableClown @alexmussolini88 @colonelj @pernia @p All what is brewed from fruit is forbidden not wine precisely as it is brewed from fruit> Egyptians and early epoch Beer was made with honey.
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@sampler @Doll @technolyze @fknretardlol @Wiz @NonPlayableClown @alexmussolini88 @colonelj @pernia @p Also note that Muslims regard Jezus and even Jewish Mozes as valid prophets and honor them as such, as Jezus. They also believe in the resurrection and all but biggest distinction between Muslims and Christians is that Muslims believe in the Old testament as it's the second part of the Quran and the first is the Jewish part even but NOT in the NEW testament written by men. Last part is about Islam only and the end etc. Is why they fear not death as they certain to go to heaven in their beliefs and don't fear Judgement day > in fact as a Samurai they must think 3 times per day about death and not fear it but see it as some deliverance. The Iranian Shia part believe in another prophet named Ali is why they were always at war with the other Arab Nations around as Sunni's.
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@p @Doll @technolyze @fknretardlol @Wiz @NonPlayableClown @alexmussolini88 @colonelj @pernia But they butchered the one leader that did not wanted to make a bomb for religious reasons, the new not and he appear to be well hidden somewhere. In any case, it was a strategic blunder to blindly follow Israel and go in like some western boy's throwing billions worth of rockets and achieving the contrary.
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@pernia @zer0unplanned @Doll @NonPlayableClown @Wiz @alexmussolini88 @colonelj @fknretardlol @technolyze
>Iran is going to build a nuke, we need to stop them!!!
Not quite what I said. I said I don't think there's a problem with stopping them. You have to distinguish between "Are there incentives that make sense?", "Is this useful from a pragmatic standpoint, given the incentives of the actors?", "Is this a thing that will happen?", "What is the likely outcome if it does happen?", "What other things might happen?", and "Is this a moral good?" The problem with your argument is you don't distinguish between those and you start and stop with "oh noes the Jews". If Israel somehow controlled the US government, what would you expect to happen? You take it as a given that they *do* and you take it as a given that this is a moral wrong and you draw your inferences from there. You don't consider the other questions, and I think the moral question is boring and pointless and it invites emotional investment. (Look at this thread if you disagree with that; look at your own responses.) You get your geopolitics from fedi, and that's about as goddamn stupid as getting them from CNN.
As far as the nukes, North Korea might have been amenable to disassembling their nuclear program; they are not ever going to do that, because of Libya. We asked Khaddafi to disassemble his nuclear program and we promised no regime change in exchange. A few years later, we're launching cruise missiles at his house while he is literally sodomized by rebar on international TV as part of his lynching, a humiliating and painful death. Kim Jong-il was in power at the time and grooming his son for the role and after they see that, there's a 0% chance that North Korea gives up its nuclear program. Libya was the biggest foreign-policy blunder of the 21st century. That is, unless you're a megachurch boomer:
> Pete might just have the worldview of an evangelical megachurch boomer.
That is the dumbest shit you have said yet. McCain, a senator during Bush's invasion of Iraq, said of the war that the era of "America propping up dictators" was over. That was the articulation of the disastrous Middle East policy and is the cause of all the shit you're whining about and this is essentially a mop-up of the Clinton/Bush/Obama neolib fuckup. You're giving the boomer line, because you don't think too hard about anything and you don't pay attention to anything and you complain about poasties while repeating *every* one of their lines.
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@zer0unplanned @Doll @fknretardlol @alexmussolini88 @p @NonPlayableClown @colonelj @Wiz @technolyze Holy shit, just saw pete's gem of a comment.
>Iran is going to build a nuke, we need to stop them!!!
How subhuman do you have to be to fall for the same bullshit, 20 years later. "Its ok to invade Iraq, they have weapons of mass destruction". Actual perfect cattle. Whatever psyop they put out and whatever lie they say on TV pete will believe it. I'm so dissapointed lol.
Iran was never going to build a nuke. Its not a "good goal" because its pure bullshit. Its not a fixation to point out the only country in the middle east with nukes is in fact Israel. Its not a fixation to point out that every war over there has been started by Israel, and they've made the US fight every single of those wars on their behalf. Its very obvious trump is invading countries left and right to delay the inevitable hanging he's gonna face for being a satanic pedophile.
Pete might just have the worldview of an evangelical megachurch boomer.
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@Leyonhjelm @Doll @NonPlayableClown @Wiz @alexmussolini88 @colonelj @fknretardlol @pernia @technolyze @zer0unplanned I don't avoid women, @Leyonhjelm. But I do deny them my essence.
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@p
The important thing is our precious bodily fluids :jackdrippercalling:
@pernia @Doll @fknretardlol @alexmussolini88 @zer0unplanned @NonPlayableClown @colonelj @Wiz @technolyze
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@technolyze @Doll @NonPlayableClown @Wiz @alexmussolini88 @colonelj @fknretardlol @pernia @zer0unplanned I wasn't joking.
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@p @pernia @Doll @fknretardlol @alexmussolini88 @zer0unplanned @NonPlayableClown @colonelj @Wiz jokes doesn't change reality
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@pernia @Doll @NonPlayableClown @Wiz @alexmussolini88 @colonelj @fknretardlol @technolyze @zer0unplanned
> you're awfully apologetic of genocide, especially one where most dead are women and children
You care about genocides? Which ones, just the one? Could it be that you only care about this specific one because it's tangentially related to your point? That couldn't be the case.
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@p @Doll @fknretardlol @alexmussolini88 @zer0unplanned @NonPlayableClown @colonelj @Wiz @technolyze you're awfully apologetic of genocide, especially one where most dead are women and children
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@pernia @Doll @NonPlayableClown @Wiz @alexmussolini88 @colonelj @fknretardlol @technolyze @zer0unplanned
> pernis sitting alone in his room crying about Kony 2012 because he cares about all genocides
Okay.
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@p @Doll @fknretardlol @alexmussolini88 @zer0unplanned @NonPlayableClown @colonelj @Wiz @technolyze The only genocide i don't care about is the one of the jews. Because most genocides have been perpetrated by them, directly or indirectly.
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@pernia @Doll @fknretardlol @alexmussolini88 @zer0unplanned @p @NonPlayableClown @colonelj @Wiz @technolyze
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