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   Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Friday, 13-Mar-2026 03:05:13 JST Artemis

   RE: https://dice.camp/@artemis/116213776614146565

   To be clear the point of this exercise is NOT to get your company to change their mind on AI. Sending a few studies about AI psychosis is not going to affect their business decisions.

   By asking them to document for you that you told them the risks & they made you do it anyway you are leveraging their fear of responsibility/liability. That fear of liability or being held responsible for something down the road makes them want to avoid documentation.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Friday, 13-Mar-2026 03:05:31 JST Artemis

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     3 possible "good" outcomes:

     - Best: company backs off after you insist on this & tells you you don't have to do it.
     - Next best: company still makes you use AI but is forced to put in writing that you showed them research that indicates it could be dangerous & you objected to it
     - 3rd best: they refuse to provide any documentation acknowledging you informed them this could potentially be harmful to their employees, but you have documented their *refusal* to give you a written acknowledgement.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Friday, 13-Mar-2026 04:22:19 JST Artemis

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     It is *completely reasonable* to ask them to acknowledge in written documentation that you expressed concern over this & offered specific evidence to back this up, because *that is what happened*.

     If they do not want to document that, they are going to have to figure out how to avoid it without you documenting them looking shady as hell for not responding to a perfectly reasonable request.

     Again, this depends on job security, so be sure to evaluate your risks here.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Friday, 13-Mar-2026 04:22:50 JST Artemis

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     You won't change their minds, but you may force their hand.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Friday, 13-Mar-2026 04:23:07 JST Artemis

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     Again, don't be confrontational about it, don't make accusations. Be polite & reasonable & if they refuse your request for such documentation, tell them you are "confused," not that you are angry.

     The trick is that you are documenting yourself asking for something that should be perfectly reasonable.

     They told you to use AI & you sent them evidence that could be dangerous. That's what happened. You're just asking them to put that simple, factual circumstance into a written acknowledgement.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Friday, 13-Mar-2026 04:23:08 JST Artemis

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     This doesn't always result in the best outcome unfortunately, but either getting them to document that you made them aware of potential harms or documenting their refusal to provide you with said written documentation gives you some potential leverage down the road, especially if employers start being sued for harms induced by AI use. That'll make them sweat.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Friday, 13-Mar-2026 04:23:09 JST Artemis

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     Ideally, your insistence on documenting the fact they have been informed of research showing that AI use could be very harmful will lead them to just leave you alone because it's not worth it.

     Be as specific as possible: ask them to list the names & authors of the studies you sent them in their written response & routinely list them in your emails about it.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Friday, 13-Mar-2026 04:23:26 JST Artemis

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     Write about it like it is a small & routine thing, but remain absolutely *insistent* that—since this is what's happening, & it IS supposedly so small & simple—you should be able to get it in writing.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Friday, 13-Mar-2026 04:23:33 JST Artemis

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     You're not angry. You're not fighting with them. You're not being oppositional.

     You're "just" asking them to formally acknowledge that you informed them that AI use could be harmful to their employees & that you provided specific evidence of this.

     It's so small, it's so simple, & it's factually true. Why would they refuse something so simple?

     Of course everyone on both sides of this knows why it isn't simple, but pretend like you believe it is.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Friday, 13-Mar-2026 04:23:42 JST Artemis

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     Also, frankly sometimes it's kind of fun to play a game where you act like you believe that they would NEVER do something harmful & they are OF COURSE willing to put things in writing because you are personally completely confident that everything they do is on the level.

     It's fucking funny watching corporate people deal with that.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Friday, 13-Mar-2026 04:23:59 JST Artemis

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     They almost certainly won't actually believe you're just confused & extraordinarily naive—especially when you prove to be absolutely, completely unwilling to budge an inch on the request to get something in writing—but the point is that IF they WERE completely on the up-&-up, they really couldn't *possibly* have a problem with it.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Friday, 13-Mar-2026 04:24:10 JST Artemis

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     You know they want to force you to do something without having any liability for potential harmful outcomes.

     They know that.

     They know that you know that too.

     But you're keeping up the pretense that everyone involved is obviously acting in good faith, which is what puts them in a bind.

     Obviously they *can't* tell you that they are refusing to acknowledge this because they just don't want it on record, but, well...they don't want it on record.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Friday, 13-Mar-2026 04:25:00 JST Artemis

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     And again, this is NOT a magical solution. It is however one possible way to get a tiny shred of power back from your employer.

     My spouse always asks for written instructions at his job when he's told to do something shady, & wouldn't you know it? It always turns out that they don't actually need him to do that thing after all!