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ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 09:36:06 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
@Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
yeah i don't want to imply mastodon is perfect at all
there's lots of areas for improvement, and for good ideas like yours, to take hold

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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 09:36:01 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  I'm not speaking of disrespectful or deviant servers, just pointing out that there may be diversity in the Fediverse, and it's offensive to me to make it all a mastodon-centered thing. I've been burned by mastodon's jerk moves before. Fediverse shouldn't bow to mastodon. mastodon doesn't make the rules. there's a standard that we all adhere to (except where mastodon doesn't)
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 09:36:03 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
  zero argument
  the solution to that as far as i see is a server pact that specifically excludes those servers running software that does not respect a baseline of privacy safeguards that we all agree are mandatory
  i mean: truth social is mastodon software
  we can't do anything about disrespectful servers except wall them off
  we ideally look for technical solutions
  but sometimes the only solution is a social choice
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 09:36:05 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  why are you speaking of mastodon specifically?, I wonder. since it's all interconnected with various other Fediverse servers, any privacy guarantees necessarily depend on what other servers guarantee as well.
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 09:40:40 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  it's not about mastodon, it's about the Fediverse. mastodon is just one of many servers that make it up.
  
  when you speak of mastodon as if it was the Fediverse, you mislead people who might mistake them for the same thing.
  
  when you speak of privacy features, you mislead people into believing only mastodon's features matter.
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 09:40:41 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
  apologies but i really don't care if you dislike mastodon
  mastodon is just mastodon, the good and the bad, i recognize both
  the real topic here is a baseline of respect for privacy between servers
  right?
  could be running any software
  the question of mastodon or not is immaterial to the essential topic here
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 09:45:45 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  that's a weird kind of shorthand, that isn't actually shorter 😉
  
  not that I haven't seen such things before. some people claim Linux is a shorthand for GNU 🙂
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 09:45:46 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
  that's fair
  the fediverse is not mastodon
  and i am using "mastodon" as shorthand for the fediverse
  that is an error on my part
  i accept your criticism, and i stand corrected
  thank you
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 09:57:05 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  furthermore, we should stop conflating protocols and programs. that's been a disservice that has made exploitation easier even when back when people had choices but just didn't realize they existed. we should value and cherish the fact that there's an underlying protocol that many different programs can interoperate with. we don't want mastodon (or anyone) to be another microsoft, another google, any other entity that gains power over people by dictating under what terms they can communicate with others, and that can enshittify services to its own advantage whenever it sees fit. that's harder for mastodon to do because it's free software, but the centralization of power that mislabeling it all as mastodon sets things up for such bad outcomes. please don't do that.
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 10:18:37 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
  no you completely got me. my "shorthand" is a straight error, i admit it. mea culpa. and thank you for the correction. sincerely
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 11:13:34 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
  the discussion is about respecting a baseline of privacy, and i made the error of conflating the fediverse with mastodon, and i admit it
  but what you're talking about now about monopolies is bullshit
  even if it was a software/ protocol monoculture, server A does not control server B, and vice versa
  and you are wrong: you DO want to impose standards
  not from a centralized authority, but via servers cooperating
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 11:13:34 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  the problem of this sort of monoculture is not about one server controlling another, but of the software provider that dominates the network to have control over servers and users
  
  when mastodon unilaterally broke compatibility with the protocol with which the Fediverse was born, to cut GNU social off before it caught up with ActivityPub, mastodon servers that upgraded stopped being able to talk to GNU social survivors
  
  GNU social users had already endured the transition of identi.ca, then the central node of the Fediverse, from the Status.Net protocol to pump.io.
  
  both moves created very significant disruption in the Fediverse, and broke connections between servers and, more importantly, between people.
  
  both of them followed from centralization of power, in one case around a server instance, in another case around server software. both have been traumatic, but also value lessons to learn about things to avoid in a decent(ralized) network.
  
  but I wouldn't say that I wish to impose standards. I'd be happy with voluntary adhesion. I welcome diversity, including the bridges and the other incompatible protocols that make up the broad Fediverse. but I disapprove of jerk, anti-competitive and anti-interoperation moves that sabotaged and cut off significant chunks of the Fediverse. may that be a lesson that we learn, remember, and don't forget, so that it doesn't happen again.
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 12:04:33 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  I'll respond to your post from bottom to top
  
  why the heck are you worrying about truth.social, that actually runs mastodon code but that was intentionally configured to not be interoperable and non-diverse, when you're talking to someone who uses a non-mastodon instance that actually increases server software diversity in the Fediverse?
  
  I ask for interoperability as opposed to jerky rug-pulling. complete compatibility is not generally attainable even across different versions of the same program, and if you think I'm demanding that, we've miscommunicated.
  
  what's with mastodon.social? I'm talking about the mastodon server software, not about the mastodon.social instance. that their server software gets installed by operators all over the Fediverse without much thought gives those who write the software a lot of power, arguably too much power. that they also control the largest instance, that you happened to mention by name, gives them further power, but not even close to as much as the fact that others just take their updates, even when they pull the rug from under large chunks of the Fediverse. that concentration of power, and their time-and-again shown limited regard for interoperability, are not healthy for the Fediverse.
  
  now, I don't get what you meant by "have to write it". what's the "it" that mastodon.social has to write?!?
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 12:04:34 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  "but of the software provider that dominates the network to have control over servers and users"
  why does mastodon.social have to write it. it's open source. anyone can. someone should have
  "but I wouldn't say that I wish to impose standards"
  you are though: complete compatibility is your demand
  "I welcome diversity"
  i don't if it means truth social
  i welcome collaboration. there's no centralization in that
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 12:11:40 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  hmm, maybe the "it" was compatibility with GNU social?
  
  that compatibility was in Mastodon from day one. it was there before ActivityPub came to exist.
  
  but Mastodon decided to drop it, to break compatibility with other instances with diverse servers that still used the original Fediverse protocol
  
  that's not collaboration. that's sabotage. and it was only possible because of the very centralization of power I'm speaking of.
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 12:31:35 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  and if it removes something that interoperability depends on?
  
  and if it introduces incompatible features that break interoperability?
  
  if they decide they don't wish to collaborate or cooperate, like they have in the past, is it my fault that they decided to make jerk moves?
  
  why should I even bother to send merge requests that revert the removals or the incompatible features, if they've already made it clear they don't want them?
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 12:31:36 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
  i say truth social not meaning literally truth social. i mean any maliciously inclined server, like "freeze peach" bigot ones
  interoperability is the responsibility of parties interested in that. since it's open source, someone should write that. if mastodon software doesn't have something you demand, then write it. depending upon mastodon is your error, it is not mastodon's error for not satisfying your demand
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 12:44:48 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
  So fork it
  If the demand exists for the capability, your fork will be the new standard
  Regardless, even if it doesn't become the new standard, anyone who wants what you also want can use your fork
  You can't be disappointed because you're assuming a relationship that does not exist
  Of course you *can* be "disappointed" but it carries no weight
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 12:44:48 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  that's like saying we should fork threads or instagram or facebook. it wouldn't solve the interoperability problem that arises from intentional incompatibility from someone who has too much power and is willing to abuse it.
  
  forking might give some choice to some instance operators, but it won't help the users who end up hurt in the cross fire of the jerk move, whether because they use an instance whose operator goes along with the jerk moves, or because they wanted to communicate with someone who does.
  
  we have some safeguards because the software is free, and also because users can move.
  
  but interoperability is not something that should be taken as lightly as mastodon has, and that it has because it could, because it was already big to care, big enough to start behaving like microsoft who figured they could reject ODF and force OOXML even while not being compatible with it; like google and facebook who interoperated through XMPP and then broke compatibility to make walled gardens.
  
  if mastodon decides it wants to change the way users can move between instances, it could make it so that users could no longer move to instances that don't implement those changes, locking users in if/until other servers implemented compatible incompatibilities. that's the microsoft way, and it follows from having too much power. that power should be kept in check, not encouraged or defended.
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 22:31:15 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  mastodon has introduced deviations from the standards, and others have been pretty much forced to adopt the deviations to be able to interoperate with users of the this big bully
  
  the older project I alluded to was catching up, perhaps more slowly than ideal, and then mastodon spit on the plate it ate from since inception, and pulled the plug to kill the healthy interoperation
  
  I'm not telling you this for you to hate mastodon, but to illustrate what can happen when too much power accumulates even in a free software project, to keep such powers in check and to stop promoting mastodon (instead of the Fediverse as a whole) as if getting mastodon further power were a good thing
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-Mar-2026 22:31:16 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  i won't, and can't, argue with you about the history of a topic i know nothing about
  but i do know that mastodon has plenty of interop with other software projects. do those other projects have the interop you desire? if yes, then mastodon sucks. if no, maybe there's a technical reason
  did these older projects you allude to keep up to date with reasonable standards?
  
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  breaking interoperability is not an improvement. whether it's adding a feature in an incompatible way, or dropping an entire protocol, it hampers communication. how can one possibly frame the dropping of an entire protocol as an improvement? the Fediverse has multiple protocols, keeping compatibility with them is not a problem, dropping it is. it's not like any one of them is superior to the other, they're just different, and extend the reach of the Fediverse. Friendica and GNU social are not dropping protocols as they gain support for other protocols. diversity is good. if mastodon weren't the dominant player, these jerk moves would be losing it ground because it would be less able to interoperate. it's abusing its power.
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 01:11:53 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  But if these breaking changes were improvements, and the older projects were going slower at it, why haven't they caught up? Did they stop trying? What I am saying is should everyone be help hostage by the slowest project? It's not like we're in a monoculture. Plenty of projects have interop with mastodon
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 02:16:57 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  we're not talking about a single line of evolution of protocols, it's about entirely different protocols.
  
  think SMTP (email) and XMPP (instant messaging). one doesn't replace the other.
  
  think IMAP and POP. both serve roughly the same purpose, except IMAP offers a lot more possibilities, but discontinuing either one serves no purpose but prevent communication with servers that support one but not the other.
  
  discontinuing support for Diaspora* or Status.Net or ActivityPub wouldn't make Friendica or Hubzilla better, it would just prevent communication.
  
  imagine if Mastodon implemented AtProto (BlueSky) and then dropped ActivityPub. the former would increase interoperability, but the latter wouldn't make Mastodon better, it would just break compatibility with other ActivityPub implementations. it would fragment the Fediverse. that's what Mastodon did when it dropped Status.Net. it didn't make ActivityPub or Mastodon better, it just burned bridges. it kicked the ladder after climbing it. it's indefensible.
  
  you can try by making up and pulling absurd, baseless arguments out of your hat, but that doesn't look great. it shows not only your ignorance, but also your blind faith on a project that has already shown not to deserve it, and your determination to defend its jerk moves by making things up.
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 02:16:58 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  "how can one possibly frame the dropping of an entire protocol as an improvement?"
  if it is flawed
  we drop protocols all the time with better protocols
  "it's not like any one of them is superior to the other, they're just different"
  i can't comprehend this argument. it is very true protocols have different capabilities, and some are objectively better than others
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 03:18:50 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  sure, maybe people don't want a decentralized interoperable social network.
  
  maybe mastodon presenting itself as such is just a way to fool the few people who do.
  
  or maybe people want that, but there are dominant capitalist powers that prevent them from getting it.
  
  maybe dominant capitalist powers are implementing features that serve their own purposes, rather than users', and using their market influence to push it down users' throats.
  
  maybe mastodon is playing like one of them.
  
  maybe you just have no clue of how important these issues are and are handwaving market dominance truisms to defend mastodon's stance as if it were cool for mastodon to behave like a market bully.
  
  maybe what's best for those who dominate markets aren't best for users.
  
  maybe your defending abuse of monopoly power doesn't look as good on you as you seem to think it does.
  
  maybe siding with that dominance with come back and bite you.
  
  maybe you'll learn from that experience then.
  
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  with capitalist endeavors, you can buy domination. so something may be inferior, but still prevail. there's also the "kill" competitors mindset
  you're bleeding that world into a zero profit environment and thus failing to make a cogent argument
  if somebody wants a feature, they should write it. it will get adopted if people want it
  maybe nobody wants what you want
  and you can't make demands, you're not a "customer"
  
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  you brought up capitalism, not me
  
  my argument was one of power dynamics, and if you don't see mastodon play it, you're not paying attention
  
  in general, free software doesn't enable such abusive power dynamics, but there are exceptions: when the software is operated by someone else, in SaaSS or SaaSS-like arrangements
  
  a huge fraction of mastodon users are using it in just this sort of arrangement.
  
  even users of other programs in the interoperable network are vulnerable to the whims of a dominant player who abuses its power.
  
  picture a bank, or a phone company, that becomes so dominant that it figures it can start rejecting transactions or calls coming from or going to competitors, and that, by doing so, it can attract more customers rather than repel them
  
  the one thing that should stop them is the requirement to abide by the interoperation protocols to be part of the network. if they get too big to care, or even so big that not caring plays to their advantage, that spells trouble for the network, and the network risks becoming their walled garden as other players get excluded, not because customers prefer them, but because they're forced to play with them.
  
  do you see that this will hurt non-customers?
  
  do you see that market forces alone can't prevent that sort of abuse?
  
  do you not see that making alternatives doesn't solve problems when market forces are abused to exclude alternatives?
  
  why the heck do you defend that kind of abusive behavior?
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 03:50:25 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  how is mastodon playing capitalism? do you see the absurdity of your narrative?
  go ahead, despise mastodon. in a capitalist environment, angry customers are a problem. but there are no customers here. you can make no demands. they don't owe you anything
  furthermore, you are not locked out:
  if you want something, write it yourself. simple as
  your anger is misplaced and depends upon a paradigm that doesn't apply here
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 04:40:26 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  it did. but by the time it was done with it, mastodon had already pulled the rug and disrupted communication, hurting users on both sides because it could, because it wanted to weaken the other project.
  
  that's abusing market dominance, with similar tricks capitalist dominant players use
  
  why does it matter whether they do so for money, for power, for fame, for ego?
  
  their rationale doesn't matter. what matters is that it hurts users and the network!
  
  you seem to have got the wrong idea that the problem is some feature.
  
  the problem is disregard for the health of the network.
  
  that's not something I or anyone can fix when there is a dominant player that doesn't care, or worse, who actively sets out to hurt other players.
  
  whether they add or remove stuff in ways that break interoperability, that gains them more dominance by abuse of the dominant position, and it hurts others, not only their own users, but users of other interoperable players, and the network at large.
  
  the reason we build standards and interoperable networks is to avoid this sort of abuse.
  
  when we tolerate that kind of abuse, we allow them to defeat the point of such a network.
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 04:40:27 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  Of course. but since what shapes this environment is not driven by money there is no impediment for Alexandre to address an unaddressed desire, build for it, and people will flock to it.
  If it is desired.
  Otherwise if mastodon broke some compatibility, and no one reacts with new code, then it means no one cared.
  What was broken? Maybe it was to implement a new desired feature. Why didn't the older projects adapt?
  
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  Oblomov (oblomov@sociale.network)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 04:40:28 JST Oblomov
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  Power dynamics exist even outside of capitalism.
  
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  @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
  You brought up capitalism. Not in word but in how you describe what mastodon is doing. But it doesn't work because there is no capitalism here. Your error is in applying the wrong paradigm for how the space we are in operates
  "the one thing that should stop them is the requirement to abide by the interoperation protocols to be part of the network"
  propose the mechanism. assemble the interested parties. make it happen
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 06:58:38 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  I'm not angry. not at mastodon, not at you, and definitely not at life.
  
  I'm disappointed at people who hold unwarranted beliefs, who are so keen on defending bad antisocial practices that they won't even realize the underlying problem, and will fall in the same traps over and over without learning to recognize them
  
  we're supposed to learn from others' experiences to avoid having to get hurt ourselves
  
  I respect your choice to not listen. I hope it doesn't hurt too much.
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 06:58:39 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  @lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
  furthermore, someday mastodon will die
  replaced by some newer project that has features mastodon users have been clamoring for and were never addressed
  i hope at such time i have the foresight to not become a bitter old man shouting at clouds angry at the natural progression of things
  you're not angry at mastodon
  you're angry at life
  
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  you build something. people use it. or not. beginning and ending of discussion
  you have a desire for some interop. so fork mastodon and build it. if people want it, they dump mastodon for your project
  that's the entire topic in a nutshell
  it does not matter your complaints in anyway whatsoever
  networks and protocols come and go
  normal and natural
  old projects die. new projects are born
  you're shouting at clouds
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 10:58:03 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  as long as you insist that the solution is building (presumably software, or perhaps a network), I can't help the feeling that we're miscommunicating
  
  the software and the network already exist. we could and can talk because we're using this interoperable decentralized network, each one of us using software of our own choice, talking to each other by a largely standardized protocol. none of these require building because they already exist and are satisfactorily operational
  
  the problem is that the present configuration is unstable, because of the concentration of unchecked power
  
  you seem to have mistaken my call for action as an attack on mastodon
  
  I presume you like mastodon very much to feel a need to jump in front of it to defend it from a perceived attack
  
  I'm not attacking it, though. I'm illustrating the concentration of power as a demonstration of the need for the action I'm calling for, both because of what the concentration of power enables it to do, and because it has already done such things.
  
  my call for action is not to attack mastodon, nor to leave it behind, but to keep its power in check, to understand that the interoperability is valuable and to make that clear to mastodon developers, so that they don't even think of misusing that power in their hands to break interoperability and dismantle the Fediverse that we all rely on; so that by reflex they reject any such destructive ideas.
  
  that kind of clarity about user demands and expectations is something that needs building, and that's exactly what I've been trying to do, in the (vain?) hope that mastodon users will listen, understand, and keep that power in check
  
  I know very well that I can't demand anyone to adhere, and I have no leverage over mastodon users, operators and developers. but mastodon users and operators have leverage over mastodon developers, in as much as mastodon developers get their influence (the power I've been talking about) and their funding largely from these users and operators in this interoperable network.
  
  does that make sense to you? do you see now why your earlier advice didn't make sense to me?
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 10:58:04 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  Alexandre, you have a limited time on this planet. As do I, as do us all
  You need to pick your battles
  And you need to have good tactics
  I understand the nature of your complaint. And I'm telling you, as long as we're not in a capitalist environment (thank God), all you can do is build as you wish things to be
  You can't demand others adhere as you wish, when you have no leverage over them
  Just build it yourself
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 11:26:01 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  I can't imagine where you got this "capitalist centralized entity" and why you keep going back to it, but I give up, I can't seem to get the threat to the fediverse out of this power concentration through to you, or, more importantly, how to keep it in check. maybe you're not ready for it, or you don't want to be, whatever. you're not telling me anything new, and I can't get to you something that would clearly be new to you, so I'll leave you alone now. have a good one.
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 11:26:02 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  "the problem is that the present configuration is unstable, because of the concentration of unchecked power"
  Alexandre, before mastodon there were other projects. were they perfect? no. mastodon came and people liked it enough to switch. is mastodon perfect? no
  people are improving on it
  things will change again
  i utterly reject your depiction of mastodon as if it is a capitalist centralized entity. it's bullshit
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 11:53:01 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  power has existed since very long before capitalism came to be
  
  mastodon developers make the changes that thousands of instance operators trust blindly, which affect all their users. they also control the largest instance of the fediverse and all of their users.
  
  that is power. not absolute power, but power nevertheless. it doesn't make them prisoners, but it is control over some aspects of their digital lives.
  
  I take it that you're not familiar with the notion of free software, of control over one's own computing, and how ceding it gives others power over your computing and thus your life.
  
  even though mastodon is free software, most mastodon users don't have control over the software that runs the instances they use. this means those who control the instances and the software on them have power over the users.
  
  that power exists even if you don't believe it, even if you call it bullshit.
  
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  that's correct. i am not ready for it, and i never will be
  because what you're saying is bullshit
  the problem is you talk in terms of power and leverage that does exist in a noncapitalist environment
  just because mastodon is popular doesn't grant it any power
  all someone has to do is write something better and people will flock to that instead. what magical hold do you think mastodon possesses? there is none
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 12:16:49 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  it seems very naïve to me to assume that power only arises in business relationships. have you never heard of abusive relationships that aren't business relationships?
  
  you seem to be projecting your own business prejudices on me. I'm not at all reasoning in terms of business. my reasoning is about community power dynamics.
  
  surely you've heard of network effects. that's one factor. if people were to move to another network, they'd leave their contacts and their post histories behind, just like they do when they leave Xitter behind. that costs them (not money), so they're less likely to take the leap.
  
  even moving to another server within the same network leaves history behind (another discouraging cost), and depends on working interoperable move
  
  since they don't have control over the servers they use, if the server gets so enshittified as to motivate them to want to move out they might find that the changes also prevent them from moving seamlessly to other servers that haven't been so enshittified
  
  this won't get them stuck, but will require them the painful process of rebuilding all of their connections elsewhere. that's another discouraging cost.
  
  as I said, it's not absolute power, but it is power nevertheless. not business power, not capitalist power, but some control over others' lives through the software they use that's not under their own control.
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 12:16:50 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  @lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
  what power?
  if twitter does something nefarious, people are trapped, there are no choices
  if mastodon does something nefarious, boom: everyone goes to another project
  this environment is completely consensual and voluntary
  everything is open. the code is open. the fediverse is full of infosec people who would notice shenanigans in an instant
  your brain is stuck in business mode. and this is not a business
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 14:24:49 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  of course I do. you can transfer it to snac as well. as long as the originating server cooperates. which is only a given as long as it is interoperable. got it?
  
  you need to read up a little (or a lot) more about enshittification and about the nonfree software control tricks that even free software developers sometimes attempt to resort to when they control servers that their users rely on
  
  I sort of wish I could live in your dream world. but it's not real.
  
  not unless you make it so, by exerting the kind of pressure over mastodon that is needed for it to keep interoperable despite the power and the temptations to abuse it.
  
  but I guess that's asking for too much of you, when you can't even see the risk. and then, it's far more comfortable to assume the leopard will never bite your own face, isn't it?
  
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  @lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
  "if people were to move to another network, they'd leave their contacts and their post histories behind"
  you do understand you can xfer your mastodon account to say, gotosocial? migrate followers? even import your comment history?
  you wave your hands and conjure up this dark and stormy menace...
  that isn't remotely real
  "but some control over others' lives"
  none. absolutely none
  no lock in
  no network effect
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 14:42:39 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  you know they (and only they) can change how the server you rely on behaves, right?
  
  I've already told you that they've already broken interoperability a few times
  
  try to think about the consequences of that for a while, instead of going one more time into instant denial. I believe you can do that.
  
  have a good night
  
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  you admit you can move your account to another project. but then you allude to vast dark forbidding powers mastodon has... that it doesn't really have. you just allude to them. so there's no substance in your argument
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 15:12:31 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  I presume your wife has never poisoned anyone
  
  mastodon has broken interoperability. intentionally. more than once.
  
  they're not the same.
  
  I'm not saying mastodon is like Xitter or F*k
  
  far from it
  
  (it could be bought by them, but I'm not even going there)
  
  but there is a risk, that can be mitigated by not pretending they're angels, and rather realizing they face pressures and they may sometimes come up with rationalizations to break interoperability again.
  
  they know they can because they're dominant, and they've shown they know it by having done it a number of times
  
  users should mount pressure against their making such jerk moves, is what I'm saying
  
  do you by any chance support their making such jerk moves? it fells like maybe you do
  
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  i'm married
  my wife could poison my soup at any time
  i don't worry about it because i didn't marry a psychotic murderer
  whenever you enter into a relationship, in any conceivable system, you place some kind of trust in another party
  mastodon is absolutely capable of doing all sorts of vile nasty things
  but they aren't going to do it
  because they are decentralized social media
  not elon musk in a eugen rochko mask
  
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  I don't think they're demons either
  
  they're human. and corporate.
  
  they dropped an interop protocol to harm other fediverse servers before they had their AP implementation ready. typical anti-competitive jerk move. that move didn't provide any advantage whatsoever to their own users, only harm to those who used to be able to communicate with other fediverse users through the dropped protocol, but lost their connections.
  
  what's suspect about that? that it doesn't fit your angelical expectations about mastodon?
  
  new features can generally be added in ways that don't break compatibility, and that's important. everyone else has to take that path, because they're not dominant, and it happens quite often. mastodon, for being dominant, can afford to impose incompatibilities on everyone else. that's the Microsoft way, the Google way, not the fediverse way, not the interoperable community way.
  
  we who care about community, about community-developed standards, and about the interoperability that enables us to choose what software we use to communicate, should make pressure such as:
  
  masto,don't even think of abusing your dominant position
  
  🙂
  
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  i don't think they're angels
  but i don't think they're demons
  and your broken interop argument is suspect to me
  new features require new interop. did mastodon prevent the old projects from writing code to work with new features? or did the old projects just kind of decline?
  because this argument that interop has to be set in stone is nonsense
  interop will always be changing for new features
  
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  @oblomov @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
  i blame the ecosystem
  if i build a new feature, and it's awesome, and people want it, fuck interop
  everyone else should change their code to get in line with the new feature
  this idea of "we have to do interop first" means nothing new can be built without buy in from everyone else. there's no governing body, so some project will drag it's heels. so just ignorant them and build it anyway
  
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  that's a very naïve view of how interop influences perceptions and choices in a network or market with a dominant player
  
  when the dominant player makes an incompatible change, everyone else is at fault for not keeping up
  
  when someone else makes an incompatible change, nobody moves to it because it can't even talk to the dominant player where nearly all of their friends are
  
  even when the dominant player drops an interop feature, some misguided people will find a way to blame the victims
  
  incompatible features is not the way to evolve an interoperable network; it's the way to fragment it and kill it. the term in standards circles is Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish. you may have come across that before.
  
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  zero argument, i don't know much about friendica. if what you're alluding to is better interop that's wonderful. so more people should flock to friendica
  
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  @benroyce @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137 and that's the thing that you're missing here: they don't, which gives Mastodon overarching power within the Fediverse ecosystem, which they abuse with very little care for interoperability with the rest of the ecosystem. Even where there are signs of improvement, interoperability with other platforms remains an extremely low priority over other features, and this is not healthy for the ecosystem.
  
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  You should really look at e.g. Friendica on how things can be done WAY better than the way Mastodon has been handling interop since forever.
  
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  @benroyce @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137 I'm sorry, but that's bullshit AND toxic. You can absolutely have progress AND interop. Whether you choose to do it the ethical way or not tells everything you need to know about the developers.
  Every other project has to bend over backwards to be compatible with Mastodon, but Mastodon doesn't even do the bare minimum to be compatible with other platforms. This is basically the definition of abuse of power.
  
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  nobody cares
  that's exactly the problem. users should be aware of the risks, and care about them, checking the developer's power over them.
  we do whatever the fuck we want. we answer to no one
  that's exactly the unchecked power I'm speaking of.
  and yet you act like there is some sort of structure, obligations, checks and balances
  with great power, comes great responsibility
  
  if you extend your implementation recklessly, you undermine the very network you depend on to exist.
  
  it kills the goose that lays golden eggs.
  
  but if the developers don't see that, users who care about the network could and should help them see it.
  this is anarchy. this is open source. no one owes you anything
  this is true
  
  that's why my argument is based on alignment of self interests
  
  users want a working, interoperable network
  
  mastodon wants users for influence and funding
  
  mastodon has power over users because code is law, and most users don't control their servers
  
  users check that power by making it clear that they care about the diverse network with interop
  
  nobody owes you anything, but if they want something from you collectively, you collectively have some leverage
  
  don't waste it, but use it intelligently, is what I'm asking, so that we have a healthier network even if mastodon developers don't care about the goose's health
  
  this is community power dynamics with intelligent checks and balances in collective pursuit of self interests
  
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  i just don't understand the inability to understand: nobody cares
  we do whatever the fuck we want. we answer to no one
  and yet you act like there is some sort of structure, obligations, checks and balances
  nonsense
  this is anarchy. this is open source. no one owes you anything
  no company. no salary. no hierachy. just people doing *whatever the fuck they want*
  all of your complaints mean nothing
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 18:14:56 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  dude, wake up
  
  nobody owes you or me
  
  but they have interests in us
  
  so we have leverage
  
  it's stupid to not use it to keep this network that we like healthier, if the developers don't care about the network, but care about getting users
  
  please understand where you are, as you say
  
  or remain stubborn and miss opportunities to actually defend what you evidently enjoy
  
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  @lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
  there's no power!
  open source
  anarchy
  people build whatever
  people use whatever
  whatever happens, happens
  no chain of command, no network of obligations
  and you continue to insist you have a position to stand on that says "somebody owes me"
  they don't owe you shit. no one owes me shit. no one owes anyone shit
  no one can tell you what to do. no one can tell me what to do
  please understand where you are
  
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  alexandre:
  enjoy advocating for interop with a dead protocol
  killed by tech improvement for better features
  no sorry, killed just because mastodon is unrelenting evil
  go for it
  you have massive leverage, and a completely airtight rationale for doing so
  
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  you're missing the point. I wonder if you're that dense, or just playing it
  
  I'm not advocating for an old but functional protocol. that was a fscking example of a jerk anti-competitive anti-interop move from a time when the protocol was still in very active use.
  
  removing it didn't bring any better features, and claiming that it did makes you sound clueless
  
  I by myself have very little leverage. we collectively could have a lot, if there weren't anti-leverage jerk defenders among us.
  
  solidarity is valuable where I come from
  
  you know what we say about citizens or workers who fight against their own rights?
  
  it applies to netizens as well
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 19:53:05 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub
  read the second paragraph ^^^
  "removing it didn't bring any better features" is just a straight up lie
  you insist mastodon abandoned ostatus because cackling moustache twirling evil
  when all they did was implement new features
  alexandre you're losing credibility
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 19:53:05 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  mastodon implemented AP, which brought new features
  
  then it worked with both protocols for a while, and benefited from the interop
  
  then it removed OStatus, which was a jerk move that didn't bring any features whatsoever
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 20:07:54 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  it's so impossible that it happened. go figure!
  
  mastodon had a full implementation of AP in release 1.6. then it dropped OStatus in release 3.0.
  
  and it's not even the only case of multi protocol support. friendica and hubzilla implement multiple different protocols. so does dovecot (imap, pop, and more). oh, look, browsers also support multiple protocols: http, https, ftp, ... Emacs ange-ftp supports all of these plus ssh and rsync and more. http servers typically support multiple versions of http, and openssh has supported multiple versions of the ssh protocol.
  
  they don't go about making up problems that don't exist, and inventing impossibilities that aren't there.
  
  it takes a lot of wrong assumptions to conclude it can't be done to defend the indefensible.
  
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  how do you implement a new protocol with new features, and it also supports an old protocol without those features
  you don't. not because of vast unfathomable evil. but because it is just practically impossible
  come on man
  
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  it's so simply impossible to use mastodon with OStatus that it was supported until 3.0 removed it.
  
  it's so simply impossible that, before AP was introduced, there was only OStatus in mastodon
  
  this is really wild! you got an infinite improbability drive over there?
  
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  alexandre:
  activitypub does restricted-audience messages
  ostatus does public, broadcast-style messages
  you can't use ostatus with mastodon
  it's simply impossible
  you've lost credibility on this topic in my eyes
  you just seem to be arguing stubbornly rather than admitting fault when you must to be considered seriously
  it's perfectly fine to admit fault
  i screw up all the time
  and then i admit it
  you can too
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 20:47:54 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  you mean direct messages?
  
  release 2.6 revamped support for them. this means they were already supported before.
  
  2.6 was a while before 3.0. I can tell because 2 < 3.
  
  mastodon supported OStatus, and did direct messages, presumably just not with OStatus
  
  this is not so hard to understand
  
  such things happen all the time with programs that care about interoperability
  
  you know that file you saved with an old word processor
  
  you can still load it with a newer word processor, despite the addition of new features
  
  you may even be able to save it back for the older word processor to be able to load it, but newer features may be discarded
  
  it's not rocket science, just good engineering that benefits users
  
  now, I guess I know why you are arguing
  
  I assume you're not trying to embarrass yourself, and that you're not as stupid as you're pretending to be, so I must conclude you're trolling
  
  it's not cool to troll a person who's autistic and tends to interpret things literally
  
  you seemed nice at first
  
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  "it's so simply impossible to use mastodon with OStatus that it was supported until 3.0 removed it."
  yes, because mastodon improved their software to do something that was impossible with ostatus
  why are you still arguing? do you not see the folly? this is all very obvious
  
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  maybe ask mastodon developers how they managed such a feat
  
  you may want to ask GNU social developers as well
  
  or maybe do your own research, instead of embarrassing yourself
  
  you're destroying your reputation as a knowledgeable person on matters of software, if you had any
  
  me dá vergonha alheia
  
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  @lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
  How do you send a restricted audience message on a broadcast only protocol
  How do you expect a software that has restricted audience messages to honor a protocol that cannot do that
  
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  funny how this excuse doesn't work for other incompatibilities mastodon introduced, no?
  
  dunning-kruger indeed
  
  you think they're lazy, incompetent, or malicious?
  
  hint: can't be lazy because removing ostatus took plenty of work
  
  hint: can't be incompetent because it largely works
  
  hmm...
  
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  Eu estava pensando no efeito Dunning-Kruger
  Seriously you both are clowns
  You just drop support for antiquated tech. Completely normal and expected
  This is the most hilarious farce of a thread I've been in in awhile. I thank you for the entertainment
  
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  Yes mastodon introduced incompatibilities with ostatus
  They're called IMPROVEMENTS you doorknob
  
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  nope. they implemented AP, a different protocol with different properties
  
  AFAIK ostatus compatibility was not broken until they removed it
  
  even if it was the same protocol, there are plenty of programs, both servers and clients, that support multiple versions of protocols, and even multiple protocols. that's no excuse
  
  it's not even like they're unaware or incompetent to implement compatible extensions, as they've done that a number of times when it suited them
  
  other fediverse implementations support multiple protocols to this date
  
  sorry to say but you're wrong wrong wrong
  
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  @oblomov @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
  i already answered that point. You can scroll up and read sunshine. But for the sake of your sundowning dementia: no one gives a flying fuck about an antiquated protocol except 2 absurd characters with the most hilarious obsession
  but don't mind me and my sharp language. Remember i'm a google goon, libertarian moron, projection dependent, immoral drunk driver apologist
  🤣
  
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  it's "simply impossible" for you to be that many things
  
  per your own theory, you can only be one thing :-P
  
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  @benroyce @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
  and still you insist on ignoring the point, which is that they could have kept OStatus support and only use the improvements for AP only. They could, they chose not to.
  
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  Ok you win
  this conversation has no winners, only losers
  I deeply apologize
  I accept whatever truth there is in your apologies
  I myself am deeply disappointed that mastodon has no support for NNTP and AOL messenger
  just build them 🙂
  
  here, take my map with plenty of windmills 🙂
  
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  Ok you win
  You've humbled me Alexandre
  I deeply apologize
  I underestimated the heroic passion you have for a substandard antiquated protocol
  Next time I see Don Quijote charging at a windmill, I will stand aside and shed a tear for his brave fight for what is truly truly important and consequential in this world
  I myself am deeply disappointed that mastodon has no support for NNTP and AOL messenger
  🤣
  
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  did you see the renewed C64?
  https://www.commodore.net/
  
  it can still run 40+yo programs
  
  just a few more years and they're going to be in the public domain
  
  how's that for backward compatibility?
  
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  No theory friend. Reality
  New tech rises. Old tech dies
  Hey lots of people enjoy old tech
  You can run an ostatus project and enjoy yourself. It's a perfectly fine hobby
  You might notice that aficionados of say, the Commodore 64, aren't so delusional that they demand in great high holy indignation that all modern webpages be renderable in a browser running on commodore OS on an 8 bit system
  Engraçado pra caramba!
  
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  Oh dear
  Oblomov is signalling in their dishonest way that they concede the point I am making and so now they must meekly retreat and allude to other topics
  Come on, I want to hear more about the
  *ethical implications*
  🤣
  Of rote simple tech progress, better and more features, in social media protocols
  
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  must... resist...
  
  I don't think I want to go there
  
  ethics seems to be a very alien topic for you
  
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  The ethical implications...
  Of not supporting a defunct substandard protocol
  The *ethical implications*
  BWAHAHAHAHA
  Oh man this is exquisite
  You can't make this shit up
  
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  Oblomov (oblomov@sociale.network)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 21:53:50 JST Oblomov
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  @benroyce @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
  And you keep ignoring how OStatus is only one example in a string of examples, but hey, again, whatever you need to protect yoursel.
  
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  Oblomov (oblomov@sociale.network)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 21:53:51 JST Oblomov
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  @benroyce @lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
  Yes, you already pointed out that the Mastodon developers not give a flying fuck about interop is a “fact of life”. And we already pointed out the ethical implications of that. Calling us names because you're uncomfortable with the ethical implications of your remarks only tells on you.
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 22:04:42 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  @lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
  "'Ok you win'
  this conversation has no winners, only losers"
  Oh yes alexandre
  You're missing a conception here of what is called "sarcasm"
  cabeça de vento
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 22:04:42 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  cabeça de vento
  nice signature :-P 😀
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 23:05:33 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  @lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
  i think that's fucking awesome
  but just so you know, this is not exactly a major product line, in case you think you're making a counterpoint
  otherwise, if you're just interested in concluding the laughfest thread for today, we can leave it at this high note
  it was fun!
  
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  Dopes The Frogman (macacator@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 23:06:22 JST Dopes The Frogman
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  - Stuck Here
  - John Mierau
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  - Alexandre Oliva
  - io
  @benroyce @lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137 is the most action I've seen since joining this platform 1000 years ago
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 23:06:22 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  GNU social with OStatus handled such big threads much better ;-P
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 23:06:23 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  @macacator @lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
  😂 😂 😂
  just mute the thread
  we're doing geek shitposting
  
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  ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 23:06:24 JST ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
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  @lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137
  well it's true life and death have many ethics related issues
  however, life and death are inescapable facts of existence
  usually though the ethics comes up when we're talking about living things, rather than networking protocols. it would be quite absurd to do that
  
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  Dopes The Frogman (macacator@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 23:06:24 JST Dopes The Frogman
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  - Oblomov
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  - everton137
  - Alexandre Oliva
  - io
  @benroyce @lxo @oblomov @Jirikiha @MyWoolyMastadon @john @engel @everton137 I woke up to 100 notifications of you two still at it like cats in heat with no woman around.
  
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  Alexandre Oliva (lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)'s status on Monday, 02-Mar-2026 23:15:42 JST Alexandre Oliva
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  sorry, the thread went viral
  
  CC: @benroyce@mastodon.social @oblomov@sociale.network @Jirikiha@raphus.social @MyWoolyMastadon@toot.community @john@vyrse.social @engel@mastodon.social @everton137@vivaldi.net
  
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