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   joba (joba@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 21-Feb-2026 08:15:38 JST joba
   Ubuntu has it's share of problems, but I just installed it on an 8 year old laptop and everything magically works with near zero configuration needed.
   
   Only hiccup was that I didn't notice it defaulted to X11 instead of Wayland so updating the graphics driver went a little "oopsie"
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     Tiberius J. Nougat (lord_nougat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 21-Feb-2026 08:15:36 JST Tiberius J. Nougat

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     That's splendidly sensible. Ubuntu still has a bit of life left in it yet!

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 21-Feb-2026 08:15:36 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     X11 or gtfo. 😤
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     joba (joba@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 21-Feb-2026 08:15:37 JST joba

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     • Tiberius J. Nougat
     @lord_nougat one machine I installed it on defaulted to Wayland but has the option to run an X11 session at login. I think the lower end hardware just defaults to X11 and Wayland isn't even an option.
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     Tiberius J. Nougat (lord_nougat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 21-Feb-2026 08:15:38 JST Tiberius J. Nougat

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     Oh how cool. I thought they quit using x entirely.

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     Tiberius J. Nougat (lord_nougat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 21-Feb-2026 08:16:36 JST Tiberius J. Nougat

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     Xlibre!!!

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     joba (joba@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 21-Feb-2026 18:08:19 JST joba

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     • Tiberius J. Nougat
     @lord_nougat @Humpleupagus I try using Wayland since X11 support generally stopped, but in everything I do for game development, Wayland either introduces so many problems or just gets tossed aside since X11 just works.
     
     Unreal Engine had pretty good working Wayland support, until about 6 months ago when they upgraded to SDL3 (which is supposed to natively handle Wayland) and Wayland is entirely unusable now on UE5.
     
     Godot Engine has decent Wayland support, but Wayland doesn't respect certain kernel settings like mouse polling rates, so framerate in Godot absolutely tanks for me when my mouse is over the screen because Godot handles every mouse move event sent, even if it's interrupting every millisecond.
     
     Rider (coding IDE) has been working on Wayland support for over 2 years now and it "somewhat works", but has lots of focus issues while debugging.
     
     Simple fix to all of those problems: use X11.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 21-Feb-2026 18:09:35 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • Tiberius J. Nougat
     Wayland wasn't any good is Aliens either.
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     Protoss (latein@cawfee.club)'s status on Saturday, 21-Feb-2026 21:08:51 JST Protoss

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     • Tiberius J. Nougat
     @joba @Humpleupagus @lord_nougat I have installed four (4) GUI apps onto my new work laptop with Wayland because I'm on a Wayland project, and of them two are already being fucked with by Wayland (Wayland renders Emacs wrong, resulting in half the info bar being off-screen, and Mumble push to talk is impossible)
     it's impressive how useless it is
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Saturday, 21-Feb-2026 21:08:51 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • Tiberius J. Nougat
     The X11 client-server model just works. Wayland adds nothing useful and eliminates even more.