Paul Cantrell
What’s it like living in Minneapolis / St. Paul right now?
This weekend, ICE abducted two people straight out of a car near where I live. Just straight up stopped the car and took them.
I found out because neighbors were trying to figure out what to do with the car, which ICE just left there blocking the street.
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Paul Cantrell
There’s a local tow companies who are offering free towing for the car of anyone who was abducted so that the people whose car it is don’t end up with a tow fee or a parking ticket…in case they are able to get out of detention and return to their life. Neighbors contacted them.
Then Minneapolis Police showed up and wanted to tow and ticket the car immediately. Neighbors had to argue the police out of it — and did eventually manage to.
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Paul Cantrell
The car appears to be a rental. It had Amazon packages in the back seat — just received? Or (more likely) being delivered? Probably these were people just out there doing their delivery job, try to make ends meet.
But we don’t know, because nobody was able to find out who they are.
I hope they get out. I hope they get their car back. I hope a lot of things.
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Axel Hartmann
@inthehands - We had that here, too. People just weren't there anymore.
About 50 years later, people started remembering. After some fights with local governments, it has become typical to place brass cobblestones in front of their houses with names, birthdates, and the Concentration Camp where they were murdered or perished.
You can find them on many inner city sidewalks.
The degree to which they are hated by some is testament to how necessary they are.
George B
Statement from the Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police:
Stanley Nerdlinger II
@inthehands
Are people going to local council meetings and demanding protection by local government and police department? If the local government refuses to protect their citizens, then they’re culpable
Paul Cantrell
@Beachbum
There was at least once incident in Dec in which there was a car left with •children• in it after ICE abducted the parent.
Beachbum
@inthehands The police chief actually said there were cars also left with pets in them that they had to get animal control for. These people are monsters. Actually, I wouldn’t mind taking their citizenship away since they’re acting like Nazis and not Americans. That’s way too much to ask for, but I do hope to see some in jail.
Paul Cantrell
@gbargoud @Nerde
Yes, a big question here is what •kind• of protection we’re demanding and from •whom•.
The Minneapolis Police have very low trust. They’re officially forbidden by the city from assisting ICE, but…few people imagine they’re not on ICE’s side. Some argue we should demand their protection anyway to force the issue; others don’t want to touch them with a 10 foot pole.
Gov Walz has talked about mobilizing the Minnesota National Guard to keep the peace. That’s a more credible idea — they’re a lot less fashy than the Mpls Police — but still not clear that would be welcome. One idea I’m warm to is having •unarmed• NG protecting vulnerable locations.
Paul Cantrell
@Netux @codemonkeymike
I’m extremely leery of this, because the upper levels of the Trump regime are very clearly (imo) •trying• to get an ICE officer killed
Netux
@codemonkeymike @inthehands everywhere is a stand your ground state when it's in defense of others. It just takes people brave enough to do it.
Mike :nixos:
@inthehands I keep wanting this to happen in a stand your ground state where someone (rightfully) defends themselves against an unidentified masked goon trying to kidnap them.
Paul Cantrell
@gbargoud @Nerde @Minnesota411988
I am always saying this!!
George B
@inthehands @Nerde @Minnesota411988
The most important thing about the line "a few bad apples" is the rest of the quote.
It's not "a few bad apples are fine, you can eat around them" it's "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" but somehow has been twisted to mean the opposite of what it's supposed to.
Minnesota 123456
We can’t claim progress after the George Floyd murder until the kinds of people hired to be police officers would refuse to support that type of letter (‘“FOP Stands with ICE" - Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police Condemns Rhetoric’). It’s not just a few bad apples.
Paul Cantrell
@Nerde @gbargoud
Ah, if only upholding the law were actually what police do
Stanley Nerdlinger II
@gbargoud @inthehands
They can “stand with ICE” all they want, but if ICE is breaking the law, but their duty is to uphold the law. If they’re purposely allowing crime, then maybe demand resignations from the leadership
Ketakater
@codemonkeymike @inthehands @Netux it might feel inefficient, but have a read about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule
Paul Cantrell
@Ketakater @codemonkeymike @Netux
I have a whole soapbox on this
https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/115403766112156810
Mike :nixos:
@inthehands @Netux sure.. i get it. And i'm not saying I'm for it.. but at what point do people break?
At a certain point, making a clever sign and going to a protest feels insanely inefficient..
Paul Cantrell
@RosethornRanger @sophieschmieg @paul_ipv6
If they’re in Minneapolis, their job is apparently to •bulldoze• the shelter
Sophie Schmieg
@paul_ipv6 @inthehands honestly, I've been wondering that for a while. If there is a masked, unidentified person abducting people in broad daylight, isn't it supposedly the police's job to stop them? I mean could be anyone, without a badge we can't know for sure, after all.
(And I know, expecting the police to actually do their job instead of committing crimes themselves is a tall order, but still)
RosethornRanger (it/its) 🏳️⚧
@sophieschmieg @paul_ipv6 @inthehands
polices job is to stand between homeless people and shelter, as well as starving people and food
Paul_IPv6
be good if the police start issuing tickets and fines to ICE. they're the ones clogging the streets.
Paul Cantrell
@Remittancegirl
Thanks, Madeleine.
Madeleine Morris
@inthehands Keep hoping Paul. It’s important.
Paul Cantrell
@solitha
Live posted during the news conference!!
Solitha
@inthehands Dunno if you saw this yet.
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