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   Metro (metro@newsie.social)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 21:35:58 JST Metro

   • Alex Gleason
   • Eugen Rochko

   Question: on my private instance (just abandoned) I was following many from Mastodon.social but not seeing any posts from Mastodon.social in my federated timeline. My instance wasn't on the Mastodon.social "blocklist." Do some instances shadow ban other instances without adding them to the "official" blocklist?

   Or is Mastodon inefficient at times (now) that the feeds of some slammed instances won't populate to the Federated timeline you're able to view from your timeline?
   @Gargron
   @graf@poast.org
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     Metro (metro@newsie.social)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 21:35:56 JST Metro

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     Question: on my private instance (just abandoned) I was following many from Mastodon.social but not seeing any posts from Mastodon.social in my federated timeline. My instance wasn't on the Mastodon.social "blocklist." Do some instances shadow ban other instances without adding them to the "official" blocklist?

     Or is Mastodon inefficient at times that the feeds of some slammed instances won't populate to the Federated timeline you're able to view from your timeline?

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     admin (admin@mastodon.tech)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 21:36:39 JST admin

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     I don’t know the answer but I’ll boost your post in hopes of helping you find it.

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     Linux Renaissance (darth@silversword.online)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 22:40:27 JST Linux Renaissance

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     @admin @Metro I see your boost, so it federates fine on my instance.

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     Metro (metro@newsie.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 00:39:42 JST Metro

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     Thank you sincerely Darth ?

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     Metro (metro@newsie.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 00:42:38 JST Metro

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     @jeff @admin@home.social @admin@mastodon.tech

     Thanks Jeff. It's sad that when I follow users from other instances, I can only see their posts from after the time I follow then and not from before. The local timelines of each instance will always be missed by anyone not on that server. I know @Gargron has talked about removing the "local timeline" feature and I hope he does so that everyone shares a Federated timeline.

     I hope Mastodon changes as we are missing out on much content that you would see on Twitter.

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     Jeff ( #TeamNormal ) (jeff@newsie.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 00:42:39 JST Jeff ( #TeamNormal )

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     Newsie.social doesn't shadowban instances.

     You can view the moderated instances, and why at newsie.social/about

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     admin (admin@mastodon.tech)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 00:45:50 JST admin

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     I agree with doing away with local-instance timelines.

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     Metro (metro@newsie.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 00:45:52 JST Metro

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     @masstransitkrow @alex @Gargron

     I appreciate that ?

     What is the most effective way to lobby @Gargron to consider removing local server timelines so that everyone more closely shares info like Twitter? Are there unions on Mastodon for petition drives?

     Do you agree that local timelines should be removed so everyone will stop crowding onto Mastodon.social? Although they say "spread out," local timelines are a HUGE advantage for large instances. It would be advantageous to be all on 1 server

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     Eric Shields | ?assTransitKrow (masstransitkrow@federation.ninetiesmysteri.es)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 00:45:53 JST Eric Shields | ?assTransitKrow

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     @Metro @Gargron @alex the federated timeline populates on a need to know basis. Whatever shows up there is the sum of all interactions made by a server that wishes to communicate with you, or interactions made to the third degree. When you create a new instance, all three timelines will start empty and it generally takes 48 hours for other instances to see you. Also, due to mastodon.social's very large size, it may take longer for those posts to federate. Also, you mis-mentioned graf.
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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 00:56:22 JST Alex Gleason

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     @Metro @masstransitkrow @Gargron

     What is the most effective way to lobby @Gargron to…

     You have the wrong philosophy. It’s open source. The best approach is pictured below:

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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 01:41:47 JST Alex Gleason

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     @corfiot @masstransitkrow @Gargron There are at least 5 notable Mastodon forks under active development, and at least 100 actively used by servers.

     We need to get out of the consumer mindset and into the Genghis Khan mindset. There’s no CEO or treaty organization. The way to win is by force. Force doesn’t mean bullying devs, it means building the best product with the most users, so that you can’t be ignored.

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     Corfiot (corfiot@pleroma.elementality.org)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 01:41:49 JST Corfiot

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     @alex @masstransitkrow @Gargron he still has to approve the PR tho. Not everyone can maintain a fork and (let's face it) it's gonna be ignored unless it's supported by a whole team.
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     Eric Shields | ?assTransitKrow (masstransitkrow@federation.ninetiesmysteri.es)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 01:46:15 JST Eric Shields | ?assTransitKrow

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     he's saying that if you want certain features you could bake them in yourself, and that'd require you to learn Ruby, which Mastodon is built with.
     
     But I strongly suggest you look into Glitch.
     
     Having three timelines is pretty dang equitable if you ask me. But if you want a domain to not be visible from the timeline, you can mute that domain and those posts would vanish on refresh.
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     Metro (metro@newsie.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 01:46:17 JST Metro

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     @alex @masstransitkrow @Gargron

     To make sure I understand, youre suggesting i learn Ruby on Rails and make a commit to the Mastodon Github of the change I seek to do away with local server timelines?

     Do you agree with me @alex that the Mastodon would be a more equitable platform and more like Twitter if we ended local server timeline?

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     Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 01:50:49 JST Alex Gleason

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     @corfiot @masstransitkrow @Gargron If mainline Mastodon doesn’t want it, maybe Glitch, Fedibird, Qoto, or various others will.

     If nobody else wants that patch, maybe it’s not such a good idea. That’s natural selection.

     If the idea is good but belongs to a bigger picture that hasn’t been tapped into yet, it’s time to form a new community around it.

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     Corfiot (corfiot@pleroma.elementality.org)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 01:50:51 JST Corfiot

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     @alex @masstransitkrow @Gargron
     I see your point, still a single guy wanting to make a small patch will not fork the whole thing. He'll go for the pull request.
     
     If that is not approved THEN he'll probably fork and use his fork but it'll be basically just a running copy, until a merge conflict happens and then who knows. So the 100 forks are good, but not effective as the 5 notable/big ones.
     
     If the dev has time to make many patches, I say yes, get on board with one of the 5 major forks from the start and deny the original project the feature as a way to force change.