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   xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 14-Aug-2022 02:14:40 JST xianc78

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   Also, from the other side, Big Tech censorship of right wingers has lead many on the dissident right to embrace FOSS (namely decentralized and anonymity networks). Which only increased the tension and lead to some projects leaning more towards the left just so they wouldn't be associated with "internet nazis".

   The most famous example would probably be the Tor project. There is an alt-right news blog known as The Daily Stormer which was deplatformed by Cloudflare and basically every domain registrar under the sun after the Charlottesville protests in 2017. They ended up making a Tor hidden service for the time being. So in response, the Tor Project made a public announcement condemning the existence of the site in response. Someone even made a pull request that would allow Tor nodes to filter such sites but it was rejected.

   And of course there was Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies as PhenomX6 has already mentioned. FOSS communities loved it because it finally allows them to be funded without all the middlemen. Even the mainstream media spoke positively of it, but the dissident right embraced it once payment processors and even credit/debit card companies started to deplatform them. Soon, there were concerns about it being used to fund right wing terrorism and assassinations. Now, crypto (especially anonymous coins like Monero) is associated with "internet nazis", drug/weapon dealers, anarcho-capitalists, and pedophiles. A lot of projects will rather forego monetary donations all together as a result.

   There are probably numerous other examples. This, along with the left throwing Stallman under the bus in 2019 has lead many far-left in the FOSS community to leave the community entirely and start the "ethical software" and "anti-capitalist" software movements. The "ethical software" movement embraces licenses that restrict Freedom 0 (preventing the software for being used for "hate speech" among other things) and the "anti-capitalist" software movement restricts commercial use (even if it's just merely using the software and not redistributing/forking it) outside of worker-coops, which is something that the "ethical software" movement restricts as well.

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     ?Smoking cigs in Room 641a ??|?? (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Aug-2022 02:41:22 JST ?Smoking cigs in Room 641a ??|??

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     @xianc78 @alex @gnusocialjp @ryo I'd argue two things led to the fedi booming with the people the leftists hated. The first was the censorship push by Twitter (which takes various forms from shadowbans to throttling to just banning any dissident eceleb that gets big enough), and the second was the failure of monolithic, non-federated small social networks (known as "alt-tech"). Gab, Truth Social, Parler, Voat, and other now dead sites fit this bill. Those sites constantly found themselves targeted by hackers, and users monitored by every single political operative who wanted them gone.
     
     Two things happened after an unauthorized protest in 2021 on this end of the internet: Trump was banned from Twitter, and these "alt-tech" sites found themselves having user data leaked and passed to the feds by men roleplaying as female anarchists. This was huge as not only did it pass along the signal to not trust boomer grifters, but it allowed any tech that wasn't mainstream to flourish. Trump was literally the glue holding a lot of right wingers on Twitter and once he was banned, there was suddenly a motivation to embrace non-mainstream websites.
     
     This had been coming for a while of course with censorship related to COVID topics on a rise and some people who had been banned taking the hint and deciding to embrace the fediverse. This has definitely fueled the issue the fediverse has had ever since the Mastodon software launch: there are two groups on the fediverse. One group is for only approved speech, as if your words can make someone on the internet angry it's not free speech. They only like the decentralization aspect if it means that Russia/China/NK/Iran can also be utopias of democracy and LGBT rights, or if it means that one company they hate doesn't have access to their data. They're on there for the fear of being censored, and I say fear because when they are censored they wind up running to another social media platform (such as Twitter after the Tumblr porn ban).
     
     The second major camp are the people actually censored off of social media. These people are the Japanese artists who ate Twitter bans or are dealing with Twitter's increasing restrictions on viewing NSFW art, or anyone even moderately right, they're the feminists who ate a ban or even got a police visit for using the wrong pronouns, they're the "nazis", they're the "Patriot" Trump supporters, and most importantly they can't go back to Twitter.
     
     The first group absolutely hates the second one, and oftentimes will roll out things such as Fediblock or will pass around instances to censor with the #Fediblock hashtag. They do not want free speech, they want an instance where their delusions can be aired out with no questions asked. This is very important to understand with a lot of groups online such as the transgender mafia. They want something even more censored than Twitter, but harder to shut down. In some cases they've used dirty tactics to shut down instances, as an example bae.st used to be at neckbeard.xyz before the domain was lost.
     
     The free speech, weird art, and similar instances boom despite the abuse of blocklists for two reasons: a smaller instance is less likely to be censored than a bigger one, and a big instance like poa.st or pawoo has the critical mass keeping users on it. While poa.st is notorious to us, the average crusty leftist living in a shitty rental house has no idea of it's existence, and that's a good thing. Or better, their terrible instance blocks it. Leftist fedi instances are notorious for having some of the strictest rules and craziest admins on the fedi.
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     ?Smoking cigs in Room 641a ??|?? (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 14-Aug-2022 02:51:22 JST ?Smoking cigs in Room 641a ??|??

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     @xianc78 @alex @gnusocialjp @ryo Another thing with the fedi is like Tumblr, forums, and some of the less popular social media sites from the past where real name/photo use isn't only discouraged, on this side of the fedi it's even common etiquette to not use the same username as you do elsewhere online. Few have to be told on a place like poa.st not to do this when it's a common instinct there, fueled by the fact that Twitter began banning people for making "find my frens" or "new account" posts for ban evasion. Of course there are a few people on there who brought their brand over from Telegram/other sites with much success.
     
     This is as opposed to mainstream social media and nerd communities where everyone tries to build a brand, or many Mastodon instances where you have to provide references to sign up.
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     xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 14-Aug-2022 04:27:02 JST xianc78

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     @PhenomX6 @alex @gnusocialjp @ryo Well, there are certain situations where building a "brand" makes sense like if you are an indie/hobbyist game developer, streamer, commissions artist, etc but still don't want to deal with the bullshit of mainstream social media. The people here who reuse their names or even use their real names only do it because of that. It's basically the same exception when it comes to using tripcodes on anonymous imageboards.

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     @PhenomX6 @xianc78 @alex @gnusocialjp @ryo Nicely written, though I'd argue that there's sizeable group of people that weren't on Twitter or any other mainstream social media in a first place, being on fedi due to its superiority in terms of privacy and freedom.
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     @mint @PhenomX6 @alex @gnusocialjp @ryo I'd also say that the culture is a lot more laid-back and open minded compared to mainstream social media and even other niche forms of communication like imageboards. It really feels like 90s and 2000s internet.

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     I’m not sure it was the trannies that got neckbeard banned. I think sjw initially said it was because of loli cp, but then suspected snow (or eris?) was behind it. I think they also thought the tranny list had something to do with it.
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     Anyway, it doesn’t really make sense that they’d target neckbeard rather than poast or kfcc, esp since there were plenty of gay af fags on nb.
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     @PhenomX6 @xianc78 @alex @gnusocialjp @ryo too long didn't read
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     @mint @PhenomX6 @xianc78 @alex @gnusocialjp @ryo Myself being one of those. For some naive reason I though the whole twitter thing would be a passing fad. I’ve avoided the sites which have come to be referred to as “social media” for years. My normal haunts have always been oldschool forums so I never felt compelled to join any SNS. And even this still feels like such unfamiliar terrain to me.

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     @wrongthink @PhenomX6 @alex @gnusocialjp @mint @ryo I was tempted to use it multiple times. It was much more simpler and laid back than Facebook being focused on microblogging and nothing more and allowing pseudonyms unlike Facebook. I'm glad I didn't though.

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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 14-Aug-2022 07:26:09 JST 寮

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     @wrongthink @PhenomX6 @xianc78 @alex @gnusocialjp @mint I too never joined Twitter, I used to be on mstdn.jp, friends.nico, and Pawoo during the Japanese Mastodon boom in 2017, though under different names on each of them, can't remember which though.
     
     I was tempted to join Twitter multiple times considering how big it is over here, but then I look at the propaganda in the sidebar, and just refrained from joining because of that.
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     @PhenomX6 @xianc78 @alex @gnusocialjp That's the beauty of Fedi; you can just set up your own network of federated sites, and you don't have to interact with those you disagree with.
     The left can have their own echo chamber, the right can have their own echo chamber, the centrists can join either side, and us libertarians can have our own space while also respecting the spaces of the other groups.
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     @xianc78 @wrongthink @alex @gnusocialjp @mint @ryo I joined Twitter not long before the GamerGate shit and left circa 2018 when it was becoming clear that having a Twitter was a massive liability.
     
     The website declined so hard in that time period it's insane. Especially as Twitter didn't get that good at disappearing people who blocked you until later on, so it was obvious as shit that half the site was already using schizophrenic blocklists. My old accounts were on a few anyway.
     
     Eventually as purges continued, the cool people on the site were gone, and only the worst of the site continued to use it. Sometimes I still run into a few people I used to talk to from time to time, but as much as part of me regrets not passing contact info to some of the people I knew I also remember how it wasn't worth it with the people who were left.
     
     I would never want to build a career on Twitter.com because I know that I'd be more likely to get supported being into weird porn and on the right wing parts of the web than if I were on the left wing part of the web and pissed off the mob even once. There's literally drama going on right now in one circle where a diehard leftist who canceled people a lot is being thrown to the wolves for being too leftist. No really.
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     @xianc78 @mint @PhenomX6 @alex @gnusocialjp @ryo That’s exactly what it feels like.
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