Embed this noticerose (rose@snac.pinkro.se)'s status on Saturday, 22-Nov-2025 03:01:43 JST
roseits funny how detached linux ricing people are from actual computer science showing some weird twm setup and saying "THIS is real CS!!", if they set foot in any software engineers office theyd get a stroke because the average setup there is whatever old desktop is the default and some fuckass editor you never heard about yet they do more work daily than any of these larpers could do in a year
yeah exactly people really dont understand what "just use whatever gets the job done" means even as an emacs user i would NEVER recommend anyone to switch to emacs because the initial learning curve is not worth it compared to just using vscode or whatever and learning how to efficiently work there its always "but.. this uses less ram" and "this has better colours" and "this needs less storage" the majority of computers nowadays have more than enough storage or ram to comfortably run literally every editor there is
@rose yeah. I use vim bindings in the titanic sow that is JetBrains editors, because I had to learn vi the hard way and it stuck. I won't ever tell anyone they need to use either tool for whatever reason. Its what works best for me so its what I use, the company can buy me more memory if I need it.
yeah exactly like full truth, emacs SUCKS as just a text editor, it's once you get into the other stuff that it becomes useful, i know people who are used to emacs keybinds but dont wanna mess with emacs itself anymore so they just use vscode with an emacs plugin
@rose@prettygood that being said, I think the anti-ricing narrative is quite overblown in a lot of places, it's not as if people haven't been running heavily customized wm and shell setups ever since the early project athena days, one look at something like xwinman and you'll find plenty of what would in modern parlance be called "rices" which are old enough to drink, my favorite example thusly being attached
@allison@rose@prettygood I miss using i3 on a three monitor setup on my previous job. But there's always some program that refuses to work with a tiling wm, so I eventually gave up trying and just use kde.
@rose Sheesh, I always dread getting fresh-out-of-college people on the job touting their shiny new CS degree. All that ever means is that I have to spend 6-months breaking delusions and forcing them to UNLEARN textbook nonsense that they will never actually see in real life. "But an Access database should never reach 2GB!" "Well, this one did. Now buckle up because we need to unfuck it and we've got maybe 20 minutes before managers start losing their minds about downtime."
@prettygood@rose I just install fish and fzf and boom i instantly have a nice and comfy dev environment. It’s pretty much the opposite of this issue as it gets you a fully modern shell with lots of quality of life without the tinkering of zsh.
@rose@snac.pinkro.se I'm a professional software engineer with a degree in CS and my main computer is a macbook pro with the default wallpaper for the current version of the OS (still on sequoia so its a photo of some redwoods)
@allison@rose@prettygood Yes, but when you look at what people "riced" 20 years ago, you find that most of it looks dorky with the colors schemes, but it is generally a functional configuration. If you ignore the obvious "just for looks" themes of the older days. What people make now on r/unixporn and related looks very nice, but is largely disfunctional. Meaning that you start using it and it gets in your way.
@phnt@rose@prettygood I'm quite aware of this, actually just made a lockpost about a different but related issue which I'll take the liberty of quoting here in its entirety
> honestly I think a big problem which is developing over the last few years is that this kind of directness and hands-on learning is being lost, but the outward form of it remains. your average r/unixporn rice nowadays is some hyprland thing, almost certainly set up from a script, almost certainly having everything abstracted away so that the person using it doesn't actually learn the subtleties of what it is they're using.
@phnt@rose@prettygood This only proves that 20 years ago we used to have functioning toolkits that actually let you customize the theme. Fast forward to now and there's shit like react """native""" and libadwaita. No wonder CLI elitism is on the rise, terminal is basically the only thing you're able to tailor to your needs.