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   Breaking911 (breaking911@hell.twtr.plus)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Nov-2025 14:53:50 JST Breaking911
   WATCH: Professor at Purdue University Northwest storms into TPUSA meeting, says she will define fascism before being unable to define fascism 🤡
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     Also bear in mind that there aren't any writings left from Pythagoras himself, but all are filtered through the lens of later traditions such as Platonism (eg. Plutarch). Personally one of my favourite supposedly rogue Pythagorean is Empedocles. His poetry has been a source of inspiration for me since high school.
     
     https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Fragments_of_Empedocles
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     I don't think that is what is meant by Pythagoras to force homegeny. He's just breaking down the universe by the concept of numeration and the motion of number.

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     Simply said, Evil can only exist in Diversity.

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     Assuming I even agree with the religious concept of good vs evil (which I don't), I disagree. Forcing homogeneity upon people is it's own form of evil. Fuck that!
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     At 1:34:50 Pythagoras on Diversity

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNRTV-Zysl4

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     Yeah. I agree with that for the most part. Many of the inhabitants of the USA were at war with each other, or otherwise had some kind of violent power imbalance, just a few generations ago, and in some cases still present day. That doesn't really make for a very unified society. On the other hand, even the nations of the modern day Haudenosaunee were involved in centuries of war between each other prior to the confederacy being formed. There was an honour code that required that if someone killed a member of another nation, then the people of that nation were required to kill or kidnap someone in retaliation. In plenty of cases it also involved cannibalism. But eventually people got sick and tired of that cycle of violence, and at the instigation of one of their chiefs (Hiawatha) and a foreign spiritual leader (Deganawida, possibly from among the Huron-Wendat), they managed to form a social movement to bring peace to their nations. It's a really interesting legend. The long and short of it though is 1,000 years of peace between them, and consequently their influence upon the formation of the USA from the formerly warring American colonies. What the American system left out however was gender and racial equality, which as anyone can see readily for themselves, continues to be a fundamental source of conflict to this day.
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     Bernard Marks (bernard@friends.ravergram.club)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Nov-2025 14:53:46 JST Bernard Marks

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     Context is important here. Either unity or diversity can be taken to reductio ad absurdium.

     In a united fascist nation, some diversity of people, talents, and classes obviously exists, but the people are united to preserve the nation that preserves them. People of the same blood, language, and values commonly form a nation. A strong nation can easily overturn any state government that is not serving them. When these core characteristics become too diverse, it creates division and leads to divide et imperum and entrenched state tyranny. This is USA currently.

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     Personally I like the idea of diversity for a number of reasons. First off, any person familiar with plant or animal husbandry can tell you why diversity is important. It creates resilient ecosystems with self-sustaining fertility. Similarly anyone who has an investment portfolio. Same reason in both cases. But to me diversity means everyone maintains their own separate unique cultural identity without having it dissolve in a melting pot under the influence of the larger society. They may share certain common features which maintain peace between them, but individually they are quite different.
     
     In the case of the Haudenoasaunee's constitutional democracy (which is the oldest which still exists on Earth), it didn't involve any of the confederate nations giving up their unique identity. They agreed to a common set of rules to govern their international cooperation, but individually continue to govern their nations autonomously from each other. Notwithstanding the imposition of colonial "band council" puppet governments tasked with providing the illusion of consultation and consent with colonial laws, and to embezzle treaty funds... But I digress.
     
     Even within each nation of the Haudenosaunee, as is also true of other neighbouring indigenous groups, while you have the over-arching national laws which govern the whole people, you also have individual clans (eg. Turtle clan, Bear clan, Wolf clan, Eagle clan, etc, etc, etc) within that which also individually have their own laws, customs, languages, and genealogies. However for the Ojibwe for instance, a member of one clan is not allowed to marry a member of the same clan, but is required to marry some one outside clan in order to prevent congenital birth defects from inbreeding, and to discourage infighting between clans (people are less likely to wage war against their own relatives). To my knowledge that's also true among the Haudenosaunee, and many other indigenous groups for the same reasons.
     
     Eliminating diversity is like reducing the whole spectrum of music down to just a single note, all the variety of spoken languages down to a single guttural utterance "Ugh!", all the colours of paint on a pallet to just black on white, all the recipes of gourmet cuisine to just bread and water, etc. Variety is the spice of life!
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     A very similar symbol is used by the Haudenosaunee Confederacy which helped formulate the constitution of USA.
     
     In their origin story, the spiritual leader Deganawida who first articulated the Gayanesshagowa (the constitutional laws of their 1,000 yo democratic confederacy) used a bundle of 5 arrows together representing the original 5 nations (Oneida, Onondaga, Seneca, Mohawk, and Cayuga) as a symbol of strength through unity. The axe/hatchet/tomahawk also comes in with the saying "Bury the hatchet.", which represents them mutually burying their weapons (symbolising past conflicts between nations) under the tree of great peace.
     
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_Peace
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     Many peoples understood that strength comes through unity, and these symbols helped reinforce the goal. 'Diversity is strength' is one of the most retarded phrases people have been ted to believe to implement divide et imperum (divide and rule) AKA democracy.

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     "Article 11. As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion," -- signed by John Adams
     
     https://www.usconstitution.net/tripoli-html/
     
     "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprize every expanded prospect." -- James Madison
     
     https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-01-02-0031
     
     "All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." -- Thomas Paine
     
     https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/3743
     
     "I had been religiously educated as a Presbyterian; and though some of the dogmas of that persuasion, such as the eternal decrees of God, election, reprobation, etc., appeared to me unintelligible, others doubtful, and I early absented myself from the public assemblies of the sect... Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's Lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist." --Benjamin Franklin
     
     https://www.gutenberg.org/files/20203/20203-h/20203-h.htm
     
     "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." -- Thomas Jefferson
     
     https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html
     
     "[wh]y have Xns. been distinguished above all people who have ever lived for persecutions? is it because it is the genius of their religion? no, it’s genius is the reverse, it is the refusing toleration to those of a different opn. which has produced all the bustles & wars on account of religion. it was the misfortune of mankind that during the darker centuries the Xn priests following their ambition & avarice & combining with the magistrates to divide the spoils of the people, could establish the notion that schismatics might be ousted of their possessions & destroyed. this notion we have not yet cleared ourselves from. in this case no wonder the oppressed should rebel, & they will continue to rebel & raise disturbance until their civil rights are fully restored to them & all partial distinctions, exclusions & incapacitations removed." -- Thomas Jefferson
     
     https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-01-02-0222-0007
     
     "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
     
     https://archive.org/details/notesonstateofvi00jeff
     
     "Twenty times, in the course of my late Reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, “This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”!!!" -- John Adams
     
     https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/99-02-02-6744
     
     "H.Con.Res.331 - A concurrent resolution to acknowledge the contribution of the Iroquois Confederacy of Nations to the development of the United States Constitution and to reaffirm the continuing government-to-government relationship between Indian tribes and the United States established in the Constitution."
     
     https://www.congress.gov/bill/100th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/331
     
     "The Great Law" - Injunuity | Vision Maker Media - A brief overview of the role played by Haudenosaunee chieftains and holy men in the formation of the US constitution
     
     https://youtu.be/L1V5VeRdMnI
     
     "Apotheosis of Washington: Painted in 1865 by Constantino Brumidi, the fresco is suspended 180 feet above the Rotunda floor [of the U.S. Capitol] and covers an area of 4,664 square feet."
     
     https://www.aoc.gov/explore-capitol-campus/art/apotheosis-washington
     
     "Statue of Liberty inspiration: The Roman Goddess Libertas
     In the late 1800s, one of the most significant female icons in American culture was the Roman goddess Libertas, a female figure clad in robes. In ancient Rome, she was worshipped as the goddess of freedom, particularly amongst slaves. Even in the 19th century, this figure could be found on American coins, in popular culture, and on civic art. Representations of her were commonly used symbolically by artists, so it was the perfect inspiration for Bartholdi."
     
     https://www.statueoflibertytour.com/blog/the-woman-behind-the-statue-of-liberty-who-is-lady-liberty/
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     > ...did not want to cross breed their species to lose their distinctive qualities.
     
     To some extent. But then you also have all kinds of examples in Russia where Asians and Europeans have interbred and created unique cultures. In North America you have the Metis, who were Scottish, Irish and French settlers who intermarried with Indigenous people and formed their own distinct culture. Everywhere you have groups of different people living side by side, you find some group of people who starts to form on the edge between them with a fusion of their characteristics eventually becoming a distinct society. In fact, if you look at any human society, you'll find that originally that's precisely how it came to exist whatsoever, even as far back as the merger between Neanderthals, Denisovians and Homo-whatever, etc. You can no more impose an artificial barrier between people than you can hold back the tides with a cheesecloth.
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     American history certainly had and has much conflict between the races. Different European races were eventually able to assimilate together because they were not that genetically or culturally different. Amerindians, negroids, and other Asiatics never assimilated with the European stock because they naturally did not want to cross breed their species to lose their distinctive qualities.

     One quality of a fascist nation is structure and order with different classes working together. This highly ordered society where people have their defined roles produces strong families and supports the culture bearing stratum. This culture bearing stratum builds civilization.

     Equality destroys this order. Families and culture are destroyed. What is left is a hollow shell of declining civilization and declining birthrates. Look around at the strip mall world we live in today and compare it to what Europe was prior to the revolutions that destroyed aristocracy for liberte equalite.