@MK2boogaloo Hi Kerokeronim-san, I have just read a post of yours in which you mention the "great loli hellthread" of 2021. I don't know anything about it, so I was wondering if you could explain what happened. Of course time is important to each of us, so if you prefer not to lose any with me I'll understand. If so, my apologies.
@MK2boogaloo@e4 I don't know that there's just one thread that could be called that; 2021 I got a lot of notifications on a lot of days but it peaked in the first days of 2022. But that was multiple threads, it was a lot of threads. notifications_about_the_loli_question.png
@e4 oh that was a saga that changed fedi for good. I don't know who started it or where the fire happened, but I do know the actors.
On one side we have Bot, Eris (the ONLY and ORIGINAL ERIS from KiwiFarms), and some other accounts. On the other side there are Graf, P from FSE, SJW and some other people.
What they're fighting about is whether loli pictures constitute as cp or not. There are multiple threads on this, which I couldn't give to you since FSE's archive is now gone lmao. Better ask @p for it, I'm sure he knows more than me about this saga.
@MK2boogaloo@p Thank you very much for taking the time to explain! The fact that a thread changed the whole fedi is a really interesting phenomenon... 🙇♂️
@e4@MK2boogaloo A bunch of shitty people that spent all their time trying to shit on fedi shat on fedi. I wouldn't say much changed except the that they managed to exhaust some people's patience.
@e4@p it did, a lot of influential people got pissed at each other, Graf started defederating people from KF, KiwiFarmers voiced endless complaints and urged Poast users to migrate, general toxicity increased by a lot.
I think the battle ended when Josh lost control of KF because of another fight against troons, but that's another matter.
Yeah, that happened. This caused some friction when KF dropped their instance and those people all spread out and they were blocked on sight at Poast, but Josh Moon had set up his alt on Poast and they couldn't talk to him any more. Poast had the ACCollective chick trying to dox random users and the KF people were having Torswats try to get graf arrested/raided on a regular basis.
> general toxicity increased by a lot.
This definitely occurred. That is what I expected was their goal. And because of their association with KF, it changed a lot of people's perception of the place from "weird but mostly harmless edgy forum with a lot of videos of autistic men jacking off" to "the place that is actively trying to kill the internet". Eris even went after Moon from SPC, a guy that there is literally no reason to go after.
The visible people were just the retards sent out to troll, though; all of them had advance notice of the Chudbuds hack and Eris and Trollcow showed up to spam gamer words on the stream (Twitch takes down streams if the mods ignore that stuff, so they can't ignore it) and (visible from the Chudbuds leak) bot had been trying to get information from the admin, then cut off contact with her the week before. The people you see weren't in charge of anything, it's like all those screechy pedos that were using the Newgon debate script: the people you were interacting with were not the people that were deciding anything, they were just the retards that wanted to participate but didn't know how to do the hacking or the swatting or whatever, so they did the low-effort trolling. harassing_moon.gif
@e4@MK2boogaloo FSE had never allowed loli but the pretext was that we picked the wrong reason to not allow it. It was just a pretext, though, they just wanted to shit the place up. I wrote code that solved the problem, in the form of an awk script that generated an MRF of people that could not bother me. Regular blocks didn't work because the tactic was to just go to someone's profile, reply to all of their posts with "I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SUPPORT CHILD PORNOGRAPHY!" and then get people to take the bait and reply. That week, I responded by just spamming porn and refusing to engage and then came up with the "Iron Dome", which effectively prevented this tactic from working by killing off incoming posts that tagged both me and a blacklisted user as well as posts from those users that tagged me directly. So I stopped getting a bunch of people going "What does this mean? She says you support child pornography!"
> bot had been trying to get information from the admin, then cut off contact with her the week before.
Small thing here, bot was very very clingy with the admin's husband. "She" even apologised to him over DMs a day or two before the hack went down, I believe it was the night before, "she" asserted that "she" had tried to "stop book" (a fucking patsy) but couldn't. Then "she" came back on the next day to misrepresent what had been said about his association to the hack, saying some gay shit like ~"I guess I'm the hacker known as anonymous". Nigger uses apple products ffs, nobody thinks he's a hacker but he was still 100% definitely involved with the sneed gayops at some level.
> The people you see weren't in charge of anything.
Depends where you looked, chudbuds matrix server had some of them in there. The "tech guy" behind betawhiner and the admin of the matrix for example. It did make me lol when the more influential faggots involved got pissed at the patsies for nearly spoiling their fun early by accessing my account and deleting a couple of other accounts with it. Guess they weren't trusted with admin dox, for good reason, but jannies can't really do shit and it was all reversed within under 5 minutes.
> Small thing here, bot was very very clingy with the admin's husband. "She" even apologised to him over DMs a day or two before the hack went down, I believe it was the night before, "she" asserted that "she" had tried to "stop book" (a fucking patsy) but couldn't.
*That's* interesting. Do go on if there's additional detail.
> nobody thinks he's a hacker but he was still 100% definitely involved with the sneed gayops at some level.
Yeah, I mean, a lot of these groups have hangers-on that end up as the public face/lightning rod just for the affiliation. It's like internships.
> The "tech guy" behind betawhiner and the admin of the matrix for example.
Well, that guy was the vector, not necessarily the architect of the whole thing. I saw his grievance post (or at least screenshits of same).
I wonder if they were associated with the ACCollective people since they all hated the same people; some of them maintain a KF presence but get banned occasionally, and I wonder if their bans coincide with KF getting DDoS'd, like the bans maybe coincided with them doing drama/distraction tactics while the DDoS or some other operation was going on.
> It did make me lol when the more influential faggots involved got pissed at the patsies for nearly spoiling their fun early by accessing my account and deleting a couple of other accounts with it.
Ah, that's interesting. I think I remember you mentioning part of this.
@p@e4@MK2boogaloo oh yea that's back when varis closed their gates too and the kiwiniggers started to actively post people's doxes where people were rightfully pissed
Oh it's nothing new, I think we were already talking about it in the guilded before they stopped using my laptop to leak shit to kiwi/cow etc. But bot was definitely involved and was way too stupid to even hide it. I have the patsies dox, they weren't exactly subtle so it was quite easy, I believe others got the higher end but the shit on kiwi is mostly lies from jfk and other gayoppers. They literally bought hook line and sinker a huehue faggot talking to himself, and pretending to incriminate himself. I had the chatlogs of him bragging about it to his little buddies (all of them hate him btw, a couple were "loyal" out of fear but that's about it they still fucking hate the guy) at one point lol.
Yeah, patsies are useful distractions. The more retarded the better, and hoo boy did they find some retarded retards willing to be scapegoats. One of them had even doxed himself to our jannies before recording himself committing federal crimes. Fucking gay retards.
Beta whiner's tech guy was involved in the hacking, he even bribed whiner to stfu and stop drawing attention his way. I believe sneed was at ~100 accounts, not sure how many were socks/individuals, during that time. The smarter ones kept very quiet and private so it's hard to headcount properly. It was all very gay.
Yep, that was the "password123" bit. I assumed I'd just been bruteforced or something at the time, not that both claire and me were infected by a fucking modified JEI mod file. Poor hindsight on my part, but they'd probably already gotten what they could from claire by then anyway. It wasn't exactly much to work with when they decided to go months later, like 'oooh some nudes a wife privately sent to her husband when they were apart', the scandal 🥱
> But bot was definitely involved and was way too stupid to even hide it.
Yeah, it can't have been to subtle if I noticed it. I'm not even plugged into KF and barely knew the Chudbuds people (I talked to Claire once about server performance; I don't think she went with any of my recommendations, but her concern was the server chugging nuts instead of security). I don't think I even knew there was a stream before the hack happened.
> I have the patsies dox,
Interesting.
In the Beefyboys Discord (:nixonlol2:) server, Eris had said he didn't know how to use a VPN, so he was afraid to get near FSE/Poast/SPC directly.
> the shit on kiwi is mostly lies from jfk and other gayoppers.
Not a huge surprise. They did that with bot on fedi, too: they posted Trollcow's nudes and claimed that it was a leak of bot's nudes. There was also something going on with Gleason, like he had a strict "no porn of any kind because FEMINISM" but he left up the revenge porn (actually illegal) of Trollcow that they were trying to pass off as a leak of bot's nudes, and whatsisface called Gleason from jail (confirmed by Gleason) when he was allegedly arrested in Georgia for posting the N-word (I never looked into it but that is definitely not what happened or the arrest would be in the news), so they had each other's phone numbers.
> One of them had even doxed himself to our jannies before recording himself committing federal crimes. Fucking gay retards.
Holy shit, man.
> Beta whiner's tech guy was involved in the hacking, he even bribed whiner to stfu and stop drawing attention his way.
Ha, man. The problem with involving retards.
> I believe sneed was at ~100 accounts,
If you tell me when you're talking about, I have the data from fedilist. I think I didn't know they got owned.
> Yep, that was the "password123" bit. I assumed I'd just been bruteforced or something at the time, not that both claire and me were infected by a fucking modified JEI mod file.
Holy shit, man. Yeah.
> 'oooh some nudes a wife privately sent to her husband when they were apart', the scandal 🥱
That was the thing with the Poast leak, you know, we were all braced for impact but it barely made a splash and probably did more to shut down all of the ridiculous claims.
It's lower now, you can see @pnotifbot generally has more manageable numbers. (Though it's counting unread notifications, not totals for the day, so if I'm out it goes higher and if I'm at my desk replying it stays lower.)
@p@Sui@e4@MK2boogaloo I don't think that were real photos of him, he apparently got v&d for being torswats's accomplice and turned out to live in some backwater balkan country. Still, aside from that blunder he seemed to be a pretty cool guy, recommended me some abuse-proof hosts and registrars.
Not sure when he decided to be a gayops cunt, he apparently appeared out of nowhere and offered to host the matrix on a whim, but he was right there in all the chatlogs laughing along with the alogs and their life ruination bullshit. Can't remember the full extent of his involvement, but it was more than the patsies according to everything I heard at the time from all sides.