dansup
Remember when the fedi got upset over a shared a list of fedi servers that Meta apparently crawled for AI, without any actual proof?
Also, remember how Meta launched Threads, an ActivityPub service?
Despite my own criticisms regarding Meta, let's be real.
They don't need to crawl the fedi for training data, they kinda run Facebook and Instagram which provides much more data.
Let's not be so quick to grab our pitchforks without legitimate evidence.
dansup
@tipjip That is a fair assumption, but from what I've heard from their team, they have safeguards and legal to ensure compliance.
And again, they don't need the fediverses data, they kinda have the two biggest social networks
tipjip
@dansup
I would assume that Meta crawls everything by default and would be surprised if they made an exception for the fediverse.
Cody :collar: :verified_paw:
@dansup@mastodon.social Are you able to stop having extremely shit takes or is this what you do for a living? Yes, all those platforms provide much more training data, but let's be real, why would they use only those services training data when they can also crawl fedi and get even more data? That's what they do. Also it serves as a way for them to make a statement, because if they crawl us they're basically stating that even if we're not on Meta Platforms, they're still going to use our data. I don't know if they pay you to have shit takes at this point honestly. I think I recall a few other shit takes like this from you about meta.
dansup
Cody :collar: :verified_paw:
@dansup@mastodon.social :wojak_cursed:
dansup
@cody I never said it's okay, it's just the way the internet works.
If you want total control over who can access your data, then don't publish it online.
I'm not the bad guy, I'm trying to help fix this and focus on post-quantum cryptography in Sup to help prevent this.
A public Pixelfed post is hard to prevent bad actors from crawling, and there isn't much we can do about that.
Cody :collar: :verified_paw:
@dansup@mastodon.social Someone spies on us, therefore it's okay for everyone to spy on us. Okay bro 👍🏻
dansup
@cody I've done that, and shipped default server level blocks for threads.com in Pixelfed.
I never said it was a non-issue, rather a misinformed one, if you have evidence that they crawled a fedi server that has blocked them, that would be newsworthy, but I haven't seen any evidence yet, have you?
Cody :collar: :verified_paw:
@dansup@mastodon.social You can legislate properly and force companies like meta to not be evil by law. Also as a fedizen, you can defederate and state your position against it clearly instead of posting stupid shit insinuating it's a non-issue and you shouldn't care about it.
dansup
@cody I agree with you, the whole point of that post was not about Meta btw, it was about how quick we are to believe "evidence" without verifiable proof.
I hope you have a great day, and know that I truly despise Meta and will be careful how I word this in the future
Cody :collar: :verified_paw:
@dansup@mastodon.social That has blocked themNo, I haven't seen any, but the issue isn't necessarily that, it's they way they use the information they are given by servers that DON'T block them. I don't think it would be very okay legally for them to crawl servers that have blocked them... So probably not. I don't think I understood your original post all that well then. In any case, I see absolutely no need to defend a corporation like you were doing. If people grab pitchforks against meta, I'm all for it, even if the reason is false, fuck corpos.
dansup
@faraiwe i agree, but we haven't seen any proof that they have scraped our data.
We do federate to threads (not all, but some), and I think this is where the confusion stems from.
Faraiwe
@dansup scraping for data without users' authorization is wrong, doesn't matter the volume.
Just because they steal more on another venue it does not change the wrongness of doing that here.
FWIW.
FreediverX
@dansup
You’re not defending Meta, are you?
FreediverX
@dansup @tipjip
Putting aside the question of whether or not they need data from the fediverse, if you have any trust in Meta’s “safeguards” or “legal compliance” practices, I’ve got some NFTs of the Brooklyn Bridge you might be interested in.
I recommend reading Sarah Wynn-Williams’ Serious People.
FreediverX
@dansup
Ok that’s why I phrased it as a question.
dansup
@freediverx Really?
https://www.404media.co/meta-is-blocking-links-to-decentralized-instagram-competitor-pixelfed/
dansup
@freediverx @tipjip it was a good read
dansup
@faraiwe democracy dies in darkness, the point of my post was that we jumped to that conclusion without any verifiable proof, a dangerous precedent that has nothing to do with Meta and more to do with us.
Faraiwe
@dansup The point is, your statement feels as if an apology for a truly evil empire.
Let's not. Even if hypotheticals. What they do is wrong-wrong-wrong, and normalizing it, even remotely close, is how we got to nazi fascism erasure of democracy.
The #fediverse (excludes threads and bluesky which are centralized, corporate owned walled gardens) should be a haven from that.
All caveats, NGGYUNGLYD, AYBABTU, etc.
vksxypants
@dansup yeah, i think the evidence is quite weak here. it wouldn't surprise me if they were doing it, but that doesn't mean that they are doing it.
Total Sonic Media
@dansup - I for one appreciate that with being on Mastodon & Friendica instances that federate with Threads, I am able to see posts from some journalists & peeps of interest that simply aren't otherwise going to join Mastodon, without having to have to install a truly invasive Meta app, or create a Threads account. And given ActivityPub's default "publicness", AI crawlers are capable of sucking up most of our posts if they are ever sent in our direction, whether federated with Threads or not.
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