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   Gabe (gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Aug-2025 01:29:02 JST Gabe

   What Fediverse software can we expect to implement ID/age verification to cozy up to tyrannical governments?
   - Mastodon feels like the free bingo slot here but I could be wrong.
   But I fully expect any instance that's fine with state-sponsored policing of 'misinformation' to eventually fold.
   That's when they'll start using all the complying instances as a justification for harsher measures against independent instances.
   I think the time of free speech on the clearnet has come to a close and over time the last few vestiges will be routed out.
   The Internet no longer interprets censorship as damage.
   I'm in the process of deciding how much I care about hanging on to a clearnet internet presence.

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     ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Aug-2025 01:30:10 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:

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     @gabriel You better get on the irc matrix xmpp groups, but fedi won't really go anywhere specially because we have tor and stuff.
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     hazlin (hazlin@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Aug-2025 02:59:57 JST hazlin

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     @gabriel
     > illegal to go into the forest
     > illegal to speak anonymously online
     
     > to cozy up to tyrannical governments
     
     You know it will be easy to cozy up... just conform.
     
     > and that no one should be able to buy or to sell, if not the one having the mark
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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Aug-2025 07:26:16 JST silverpill

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     @gabriel

     >Mastodon

     In the latest version they added an option to set a minimum age requirement for user sign-up:

     https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/05/legal-features-updates/#setting-age-requirements

     This is not age verification, but they don't look opposed to adding it later.

     I don't expect this to have a big effect on Fediverse, though. What they are going to do? Block all instances that don't implement age verification?

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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Aug-2025 07:33:00 JST Blurry Moon

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     • silverpill
     @silverpill @gabriel wait until nlnet funding mandates compliance with EU law lol
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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Aug-2025 02:32:10 JST silverpill

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     @gabriel At the ICANN level? That would be bad, but I think this is not going to happen anytime soon. Country-level blocks are much less of a problem, it happens all around the world already and people learned to circumvent those blocks. And there are 30000 instances, ActivityPub is really good at forcing people to spread out (it's much better at this than every other protocol).

     >I'm in the process of deciding how much I care about hanging on to a clearnet internet presence.

     But of course, investing in anon tech wouldn't hurt

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     Gabe (gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Aug-2025 02:32:11 JST Gabe

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     • silverpill

     @silverpill@mitra.social What they are going to do? Block all instances that don't implement age verification?That's what remains to be seen.
     At minimum govts may DNS block fedi servers not in good graces, but that has many workarounds.

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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Aug-2025 02:34:13 JST silverpill

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     • Blurry Moon

     @sun @gabriel That's why I don't take handouts from NLNet.

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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Aug-2025 03:12:30 JST silverpill

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     @gabriel

     >Cloudflare or Google

     This is more realistic, but

     >Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

     It looks like blocking is done only for the users from a specific jurisdiction and not world-wide: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/blocking

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     Gabe (gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Aug-2025 03:12:31 JST Gabe

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     • silverpill

     @silverpill@mitra.social At the ICANN level? To be fair, a nation just needs to get Cloudflare or Google to agree and it will make the change for at least 90% of users. I fully expect independent sources of information online to get the "piracy site" treatment over time.
     Obviously, that doesn't eliminate it at all, but it does have consequences.

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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Aug-2025 03:40:26 JST silverpill

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     • deutrino

     @deutrino @gabriel Unfortunately the Onionverse is very small, but once the work on nomadic identity is finished I think we'll be able to seamlessly connect onions and clearnet instances.

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     deutrino (deutrino@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Aug-2025 03:40:28 JST deutrino

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     • silverpill

     @silverpill @gabriel I'd really love to see first-class support for running microblogging instances on an onion service in the "lean on resource consumption" crowd of microblogging platform softwares.

     thus far every AP fedi instance I've seen with onion support, it's been a one-off project, and is broken more often than not.

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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Aug-2025 04:30:58 JST silverpill

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     • deutrino

     @deutrino @gabriel Hosting a regular onion is easy with Mitra, this feature is well maintained. We also offer an option to federate with onions while staying on clearnet

     https://codeberg.org/silverpill/mitra/src/branch/main/docs/onion.md