Epstein didn't own the island until later in his trafficking career. Denying going to the island, isn't a full denial of engaging in illegal activity with minors or being blackmailed. If fact, it may be an admission given the circumstances.
He had the ranch and like half a dozen other properties no one talks about. And even without pdiddy and Epstein, you know there have to be a dozen more people like them who deal exclusively in the business of sexual blackmail.
@spacemanspiff@SuperSnekFriend@William_The_Dragonborn Instead of supporting trump who is a criminal and pedo why don't you support someone like me instead I know our numbers grow daily anytime a politician meets bibi and allows them become israhell submissive and breedable
@spacemanspiff@SuperSnekFriend@William_The_Dragonborn I wonder how many people you have block I know some do it because their are some disturbing people on fedi but to just abuse the block button out of nowhere gets you on a list
I'm not sure I have anyone blocked... maybe a couple of bots. it might be time to mute some people, but probably not. whatever beehive I smacked will eventually settle down. at least all these notifications remind me the fedi isn't as obscure as it sometimes feels.
@spacemanspiff@branman65@SuperSnekFriend So you support corruption? You still support a system where justice is never dispensed properly, you are what is wrong with the right.
absolutely not. he's the closest thing we've had to a CEO in my lifetime and we'll never have another. and I don't need anyone's permission to enjoy the show as the worst people in the world just lay low and wait it out.
I'm just saying when you ask someone "did you spend time with Jeffrey Epstein" and their response is "I never went to the island," it's pretty clear they're hiding something.
none of that matters - the "constantly" assertion, the dramatic comparison to marriage length. it's flowery bullshit. to besmirch someone in this way - to casually assert that they fuck children - requires extraordinary evidence. or, you know, any evidence at all as a start.
@spacemanspiff@djsumdog@Humpleupagus@SuperSnekFriend He partied with them constantly from the mid-80s until the early 2000s. That's longer than most of his marriages have lasted. This is way beyond circumstantial.
there is a wide, WIDE gamut between the post I replied to and... well... THAT.
but that's what happens when you have so little. guilt by decades-old social association? for some of the most heinous crimes imaginable? do you people ever say these things out loud?
I expect you could get there in a number of ways, but it would be more credible and conclusive than "he was in a photo next to a creep" or "someone remembered something after he became president."
what specific evidence would be sufficient to put YOU away for same? or your brother or your son? half the fucking country would be in jail if we used the edgelord standard.
what was used to put ghislaine away? maybe we can start there.
and again - setting aside the reporting, AFTER 2002, that no one disputes, that he banned epstein from his property - that quote proves nothing.
why would a real estate mogul want to get into the [any of the 500 businesses]?
you MIGHT be on to something with the associates, but if you are calling someone a child-fucker, you really, really need to come with some actual evidence.
@spacemanspiff@Humpleupagus@djsumdog@SuperSnekFriend >“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Trump said. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.” - Donald Trump, 2002
Trump keeps hiring all the people responsible for covering it up. Acosta, Bill Barr, Dershowitz, Lutnick. He started a modelling agency with the MEGA group involved. Why would a real estate mogul want to get into the modelling business? There's no relation. And don't forget Roy Cohn, his mentor who, again, loved to entrap and blackmail pedophiles. He's literally surrounded by these people.
you're a clown. is there only one way to illustrate that a man robbed a convenience store? or murdered his neighbor? or set a building on fire?
yes, I require greater proof than your reckless and irresponsible slander. you can't make the case. you're worse than that judge in NY who gave the jury false instructions.
"who do you work for?" omg, get over yourself. HURR DURR FED. my professional life puts my family to sleep.
This is my point. He's not actually here to be reasonable. He's here to obfuscate by pushing an illusory burden of proof that can never be met. Sus af.
@spacemanspiff@djsumdog@Humpleupagus@SuperSnekFriend >you MIGHT be on to something with the associates, but if you are calling someone a child-fucker, you really, really need to come with some actual evidence. No, you won't accept any evidence, so it's pearls before swine. When Trump tells you from his own mouth how much he loved hanging out with a Mossad sex trafficker for 15 years, you throw it out.
>I could very easily put together a list of past photos where I stood next to, or shared a laugh with, people who had done (or went on to do) terrible things. it doesn't mean I'm guilty of anything. I think it does. I've lived a pretty full life, and I don't know anyone like that. But I don't work for glowniggers trying to excuse pedophiles. I'm not paid to lie on the internet.
I honestly thought you people were rare caricatures, perhaps even performance art. do you really think you matter enough that someone is getting paid to converse with you? honestly I regret the past hour, I could have gotten something done. loons everywhere.
No, this is the intention of the entire Epstein thing. Also Israel. Also maybe Ukraine.
There are not two parties. There may be a couple of different actors behind the scenes (CIA, MI6, Mossad, Bilderberg, WEF, etc.) who hand out different scripts to their little puppets and might work at slight cross purposes against each other, but in general whoever these powers are seem aligned in keeping everyone outside of the $1 billion club fighting among themselves.
This person you're arguing is likely the most danger type of actor of all: The True Believer. An identity tied to a figure, whether that be a church or a mosque or a Hollywood mogul or an Elon or an Orange Man .. the faith in a cult of personality or organization is what helps turn off that frontal part of your brain to reject obvious problems presented before you. It's a natural defense mechanism. It's the way religion is created.
The MEGA-MAGA base splits apart and yells and screams and do not even notice the fake left and fake right use that outrage to further enslave them.
The United States is currently trying to introduce legislation similar to the UK Online Safety Act. Both parties support this. No one is talking about it.
"Any" fails to reasonably particularize the type of evidence you'd be willing to accept. It is vague, ambiguous, and unintelligible. It describes an entire universe of evidence that is inherently limitless and indecipherable, and therefore constitutes no standard whatsoever.
I'm not sure how we prove they're real though. Apparently, it's a logical fallacy to ask what proof other people would accept. I guess proving things is fucked. 🤷♂️
Yeah... how dare I conflate evidence with types of evidence. Those are two mutually exclusive things. 🙄
Instead we should adopt ambiguous standards like "credible, material, not obviously motivated by partisan politics, pre-dating the famous escalator ride, more substantial than "the guy I think worked for the country I trust least on earth said they were friends."
You haven't said shit.
If a document is found now, does it predate the escalator ride? What if there's a witness who stimulaneously authenticates the document? No, that's all after by your standard.
You're standard is no standard. It's basically, all evidence would be presented now, so none is credible.
Of course, now that I've said this, you'll claim the opposite because pilpul.
And still, you haven't answered my very simple question.
your new dishonesty: conflating "evidence" with "TYPE of evidence."
I volunteered the latter already: credible, material, not obviously motivated by partisan politics, pre-dating the famous escalator ride, more substantial than "the guy I think worked for the country I trust least on earth said they were friends."
you don't have any real evidence. yet you make a bold assertion. all fun and games until it's done to you, I guess.
@Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club MR> SNUFFALUpagus is a full grained Talmudic retard Jew lawyer. I agree with any insult upon him. And will clap and cheer at all insults until I make a stinky in my diaper, at which point, I will excuse myself and clean my poopy butt.
Proof is fine, just don't ask about what counts as evidence or the standard. Total logical fallacy. That's what sky-rider told me. He had a screen shot, so he must be right. Simply put, establishing standard of proof and evidence is illogical.
Bro. Just because you often hang out with El Chapo and go to his parties and fly on his plane doesn't mean you're into coke and hot chicas.
Clearly, Trump wasn't doing anything, but we don't need proof of what he was oherwise doing. We can just imagine it wasn't raping kids, and that ideation without any evidence proves you wrong because you bear the burden. I can just sit back and say nuh auh without having to establish what else occurred. I mean.... I don't even have proof Donald Trump takes shits and neither do you, so we should assume he doesn't. 😤
>to besmirch someone in this way DJT shows up seven times on the Lolita Express flight logs. And he recently took a drastic about face when it comes to the Epstein files. You might feel it's harmless, but it's not a good look.
It ain't wrong to demand transparency from public officials.
Where the party charged is in possession of probative evidence, but refuses to produce it, we can infer that the evidence would prove the allegations.
Issue preclusion is a common discovery sanction, including the preclusions of denials and defenses.
Trump is aware of the accusations, and is in possession of probative evidence, but has refused to produce it. Therefore, it is reasonable to infer he fucked kids.
It has to be someone. Swiss Libertarian was the last account outed due to time stamps that established he was posting from Israel when Iran was bombing them.
LMAO. I didn't know about the timestamps but I did know he was BFFs with one of the higher ups in Klaus Schwab's organization. Wouldn't surprise me if he had some kind of dual citizenship like a lot of Israeli cocksuckers.