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   Sir Love (freegnu@noauthority.social)'s status on Sunday, 27-Jul-2025 20:50:28 JST Sir Love

   Looks like China is about to leapfrog the US on the GPU market in a few years.

   China’s First High-End Gaming GPU, the Lisuan G100, Reportedly Outperforms NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 4060 & Slightly Behind the RTX 5060 in New Benchmarks https://share.google/NTnQRpo7OdZmTnnaL

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Jul-2025 20:50:20 JST djsumdog

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     It's crazy that every high end microprocessor fabrication plant is dependent on one Dutch company for the machinery to make dense, complex silicon. Do Samsung, Intel and TSMC all use ASML machines?
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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 27-Jul-2025 20:50:21 JST cjd

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     I think the Chinese managed to buy the lithography machine from ASML, despite the protests of the US, it's just not possible otherwise.
     
     But as far as their chip designs, there's a good chance that they are actually better, because China doesn't over-value IP, they take everything they can find, copy all of the good ideas from everything, and then do their own engineering on top.
     
     In the west, each company is in a silo working on their own unique IP and pretending the others don't exist.
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     pat (thatcrazydude@noauthority.social)'s status on Sunday, 27-Jul-2025 20:50:22 JST pat

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     @cjd @freegnu now, I have no doubt that china will get there eventually, but since they rely more on industrial espionage than anything else, they'll always be a few years behind the rest of th world

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     pat (thatcrazydude@noauthority.social)'s status on Sunday, 27-Jul-2025 20:50:23 JST pat

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     @cjd @freegnu yeah, all true, but it's not a matter of access to the blueprints or anything like that. Everyone knows how to do that stuff in principle. You know, like with hydrogen bomb and shit. It's all public knowledge.
     The issue with lithography is the physical diffraction limit, ya know. The process is basically projecting a slide on a surface, and you just can't project details smaller than the wavelength of the photons you use to project whatever it is you're projecting

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     pat (thatcrazydude@noauthority.social)'s status on Sunday, 27-Jul-2025 20:50:24 JST pat

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     @freegnu not happening. They can't do lithography with high enough resolution. Not to even mention the rest of the doping process.

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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 27-Jul-2025 20:50:24 JST cjd

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     > It was previously revealed that the G100 is made on a 6nm silicon, likely coming from SMIC
     
     That's a pretty advanced node, I didn't know China had anything that good, but wikipoodia seems to agree.
     
     Remember a couple years back the Russians hacked nvidia and got their verilog, I guarantee you that ended up in this chip.
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Jul-2025 21:22:16 JST djsumdog

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     Meaning the next world war could knock the world back a century in microprocessor technology.
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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 27-Jul-2025 21:22:17 JST cjd

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     I think there's like a half dozen companies that are one-of-one in the world and you need one of their machines to outfit a modern fab.
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     pat (thatcrazydude@noauthority.social)'s status on Sunday, 27-Jul-2025 21:22:18 JST pat

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     @djsumdog @freegnu @cjd yup, pretty much everyone does. And I guess there's gotta be a reason