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   :blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 18:55:07 JST :blobcatflower:
   god I hate linux
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 18:54:57 JST snacks

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     @lucy @meso would you prefer crashes or data corruption? This isn't really a linux issue imo
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     :blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 18:54:59 JST :blobcatflower:

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     @meso when there's a harddrive failure at runtime the kernel just silently remounts your root fs as readonly. This is not distro related.
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     meso (meso@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 18:55:00 JST meso

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     @lucy but arch is the kind of distro where when you learn how to use linux it's perfect because it doesnt have any oddities and you dont need help for it everything works as expected and is comfy
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     meso (meso@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 18:55:01 JST meso

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     @lucy oh yeah that's fair. just last night i was looking at the arch forums and i hope everyone on there fucking ies
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     :blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 18:55:03 JST :blobcatflower:

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     @meso no also the userbase STINKS
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     meso (meso@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 18:55:04 JST meso

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     @lucy give it another shot sometime
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     :blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 18:55:05 JST :blobcatflower:

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     @meso it did for me arch is a meme distro
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     meso (meso@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 18:55:06 JST meso

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     @lucy just use arch it never caused me any problems
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     @ube @lucy @meso i think it's where i learned to format drives and wtf croot is
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     Ube Maija (ube@spergia.net)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 18:58:39 JST Ube Maija

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     @meso @lucy arch helps you learn how to use linux because pacman breaks everything every time you update ur system and u have to learn how to fix it
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 19:07:48 JST snacks

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     @ube @lucy @meso *format drives through cli
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 21:39:53 JST 翠星石

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     @lucy I hate that proprietary kernel too.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 21:51:35 JST 翠星石

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     @lucy If Linux was actually under that license and the all source code was provided, it would be a free kernel.
     
     Linux contains several proprietary programs without source code and Linux developers maintain and recommend a massive collection of proprietary software derivatives works without source code ("linux-firmware"); https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/
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     :blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 21:51:36 JST :blobcatflower:

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     @Suiseiseki do you think GPLv2 is a non-free license or what
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:12:00 JST 翠星石

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     @lucy It makes me sad you would install a proprietary BusyBox/Linux distro that is also functionally inferior to GNU/Linux.
     
     GNU is not merely a collection of tools - tools are only some GNU packages and glibc and coreutils and inetutils etc are only a few GNU packages; https://gnu.org/software/
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     :blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:12:02 JST :blobcatflower:

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     @Suiseiseki im going to install alpine linux with musl and busybox instead of gnu tools how does that make you feel
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:12:13 JST snacks

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     @lucy @Suiseiseki finally, true freedom archieved
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:15:03 JST 翠星石

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     @snacks @lucy >True freedom.
     >Look inside.
     >Proprietary software.
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:15:48 JST snacks

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     @Suiseiseki @lucy it's only free if the source code is sane
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:15:50 JST 翠星石

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     @lucy Yes, they're all works of art.
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     :blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:15:52 JST :blobcatflower:

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     @Suiseiseki did you ever look at gnu source code?
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:16:29 JST 翠星石

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     @snacks @lucy The source code if full of GNU/Freedom - the only sanity.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:17:13 JST Phantasm

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     @snacks @Suiseiseki @lucy It's only free if you don't value the time spent on debugging GNU software.
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     @phnt @lucy @snacks I don't think I've ever debugged GNU software?
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:18:07 JST snacks

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     @lucy @Suiseiseki alpine was the only distro i couldn't get wifi to work with tbh. I hate openrc
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     @snacks @Suiseiseki I think at this point alpine makes a lot of sense to me honestly.. im fed up with gnu retardation and systemd annoyances. If only i could remove posix brainrot but ig that's not happening on a linux system.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:18:11 JST 翠星石

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     @lucy @snacks >Linux system.
     >Look inside.
     >Functionally inferior GNU clone.
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:18:56 JST snacks

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     @lucy @Suiseiseki you can have bsd brainrot instead of linux brainrot with void
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     @snacks @Suiseiseki i thought about void but I'd want to get rid of glibc at which point my void install would be slightly worse than the default alpine setup, which would also get rid of other gnu tools. The only thing im not sure about is what bootloader to use because of course I'd get rid of grub. Maybe I'll just use limine that works really good and im familiar with it from a hobby project.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:22:02 JST Phantasm

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     @snacks @Suiseiseki @lucy BSD has a different brainrot. Every single one of them has tools with different features and options. bsdtar is probably the only one that has any actual consistency. And the only way to be truly portable across BSD is to follow posix.
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:22:16 JST snacks

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     @lucy @Suiseiseki linux kernel worsks as uefi bootloader even without systemd i think?
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:22:30 JST Phantasm

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     @Suiseiseki @lucy @snacks Then you didn't use GNU software enough; aka, you are a normie.
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     @phnt @Suiseiseki @lucy
     > And the only way to be truly portable across BSD is to follow posix.
     that's what i expected tbh
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:24:39 JST 翠星石

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     @snacks @lucy What is Linux if not a kernel?
     
     Yes, via "LILO" you can make Linux work as a bootloader than can be loaded by a proprietary UEFI, but that's insanity.
     
     It's garbage compared to the GNU Grub OS that is 100% free software and can be the bootloader in GNUboot.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:25:09 JST 翠星石

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     @phnt @lucy @snacks I use many GNU packages extensively - the error rate is just that low.
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:25:32 JST snacks

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     @Suiseiseki @lucy coreboot can load linux directly too?
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     :blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:25:45 JST :blobcatflower:

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     @snacks @Suiseiseki I'll setup void linux with musl, busybox, runit and limine then
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:27:29 JST 翠星石

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     @snacks @lucy It cannot.
     
     Linux needs a bootloader to set things up before it will operate - what is loaded in that case is Linux modified into a bootloader.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:28:44 JST 翠星石

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     @fiore @lucy @snacks If 9front was actually free software that would be a better idea, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
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     φ (fiore@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:28:46 JST φ

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     @lucy @Suiseiseki @snacks installe 9front

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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:30:03 JST snacks

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     @Suiseiseki @lucy linux is a stage 2 bootloader
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     φ (fiore@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:30:05 JST φ

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     @Suiseiseki @lucy @snacks u just hate the cute blue fairy !!

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     @fiore @lucy @snacks I would like ⑨⑨⑨⑨⑨⑨⑨ if she wasn't proprietary.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:31:38 JST 翠星石

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     @snacks @lucy GRUB is a stage 0 or stage 1 or stage 2 bootloader.
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:33:21 JST snacks

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     @Suiseiseki @lucy i have never heard about grub being a stage 0 bootloader
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:35:02 JST 翠星石

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     @snacks @lucy Coreboot isn't a bootloader - it just inits the hardware - GNU Grub is there to finish the hardware init and allow the user to enjoy a GNU OS and also contains a bootloader.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:35:27 JST Phantasm

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     @snacks @Suiseiseki @lucy What his autism is saying is probably that it boots from first block in MBR (stage 0), boots kernels after initial MBR bootstrap (stage 1) and can chainload other bootloaders (stage 2).
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:38:53 JST snacks

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     @Suiseiseki @lucy stage 0 is the basic hw initialization that's usually handled by bios/uefi on pcs like initializing the memory controller
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     @Suiseiseki @lucy now shut the fuck up, i have to get proprietary games on proprietary vms with proprietary mods running
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:41:08 JST 翠星石

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     @snacks @lucy Yes, GRUB does hardware initialization and can set the video mode on some hardware.
     
     GRUB can be a coreboot payload, thus it can be part of what is on the SPI flash.
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     @snacks @lucy Inb4 time to add RAMinit to the GRUB OS.
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-Jun-2025 22:42:14 JST snacks

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     @Suiseiseki @lucy woah, it can handle shit that's usually handled by the os, totally makes it a stage 0 bootloader
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     @Suiseiseki @snacks on modern (efi) systems you can boot linux without a bootloader
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     @lucy @snacks >Without a booloader
     >Look inside.
     >Proprietary UEFI bootloader
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     @snacks @Suiseiseki @lucy Funny you say that, because it silently fails at initializing out of text mode specifically because the secureboot implementation in GRUB has been borked for like 2 years. It can't load its special fonts, because the module isn't signed.
     
     That's why on secure boot systems that don't have the GRUB console mode enabled, your border is just a bunch of rectangles with question marks.
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     @phnt @lucy @snacks >Using restricted boot instead of GRUBs signing.
     ngmi,
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     @phnt @Suiseiseki @lucy @snacks i bet systemd-boot can handle it. I've been running it for ages but i am yet to use secure boob
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     @lucy buy a macbook m4
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     @lucy @meso linux code/behavior quality is poo
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     @snacks @lucy @meso @ube i learned chroot proper with gentoo, i used it to install gentoo from fedora when i was at uni during covid times and couldn't spare time
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     @dagda @fiore @lucy @snacks I was pointing out that the Cirno character is proprietary.
     
     Every time I've looked at a non-toy OS that is not GNU, I've found proprietary software and by proprietary senses are telling me that 9front is proprietary - but I don't have time to look right now - but I reckon I'll find some if I look later.
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     @Suiseiseki @fiore @lucy @snacks whats proprietary about 9Front?
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     @fiore @dagda @lucy @snacks Yes, a weak license is often chosen to allow combination with proprietary software (which is not allowed by the GPLv{2,3}-{only,or-later} or to allow the software to be turned proprietary and used to take the users freedom, but it is possible (but uncommon) for a substantial program under a weak license to be fully free.
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     @dagda @Suiseiseki @lucy @snacks permissive license

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     @dagda @fiore @lucy @snacks `All other non-permissive additional terms are considered "further restrictions" within the meaning of section 10. If the Program as you received it, or any part of it, contains a notice stating that it is governed by this License along with a term that is a further restriction, you may remove that term.`
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     @fiore @Suiseiseki @lucy @snacks
     AGPLv3+ + $SLUR license when?
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     @dagda @fiore @lucy @snacks There is a requirement to add a slur, which is not listed as permitted under 7abcde or f and thus the user is granted the freedom or removing such further restriction.
     
     Furthermore, editing the AGPLv3 to add any word infringes the license on the text itself; "Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license document, but changing it is not allowed." (permission to use the AGPLv3 text in another license is given separately provided a different name is used, the GNU preamble is removed as well as any mention of GNU).
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     @Suiseiseki @fiore @lucy @snacks including the slur is an addendum, not a restriction. You are still in the process of gifting or selling a software with all 4 freedoms protected, you just provide them with the slur aswell in addition.