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Retards have a real hard time understanding why there's no point in rushing out the door to start a multiple hour long drive during rush hour. Trying to explain how it'll just add an extra 45 minutes of sitting in gridlock is like asking them how they'd feel if they hadn't eaten breakfast yesterday.
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@Hoss "Flex hours" are your friend. I stagger my start/end times away from peak commute times, and it saves me a lot of headache.
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@Hoss To be fair, the engineers are just as retarded thinking that adding more lanes until the end of time won’t just create induced demand, clogging up the highway even worse than it was before. Or failing to see how funneling every car in the city onto a handful of arterials from all the local and connector streets will inevitably overwhelm their capacity, no different from a river flooding when inundated with a host of seemingly inconsequential streams and rivlets after heavy rain.
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Imagine flying just above the rush hour gridlock in one of these bad boys as you leave a trail of commuter seethe in your wake.
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@Hoss @BionicNigga I read that as 'girlcock' and blame fedi for it
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The Zesty Dreamer.
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@Hoss @BionicNigga Inb4 tesla sells 5 million of them a year
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I'd unironically buy one of these and fly it illegally to work every day if they're only $15-20k.
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>Not everything revolves around niggers
As an American, this statement does not compute. It's like your asking me to divide by zero.
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@BionicNigga @Hoss induced demand is cope for an unmaintained underspecced road network and niggers being allowed to drive cars.
Demand can only be induced to the point where everyone is where they need to go
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@WandererUber @Hoss Not everything revolves around niggers, and no that’s the whole point is that the road isn’t underspecced, cars are just space-inefficient especially in our hierarchical road network, and adding more space is just inviting people to fill it back up.
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Well yeah, isn't real life just like SimCity?
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@WandererUber @BionicNigga @Hoss
>build roads in the 1970s and 1980s for a city half to a third of its current size
>finally getting around to adding 2 lanes to the freeway
>more people use the freeway
OMG GUYS IT'S INDUCED DEMAND THIS IS AN UNSOLVEABLE PROBLEM BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL JUST RANDOMLY START DRIVING AROUND FOR NO REASON AND IT'LL ALSO MAGICALLY SPAWN MORE CARS INTO EXISTENCE TO OCCUPY THE SPACE
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@skylar @BionicNigga @WandererUber @Hoss the dumbest thing is actual cities have started following induced demand. NYC reduced the amount of time garbage trucks came as they claimed having more trash runs would induce runs for more trash so by reducing them people would throw out less trash. This just led to garbage being everywhere and rats to be a problem again
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@BionicNigga @Hoss induced demand doesn’t exist, deferred demand does.
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@BionicNigga @Hoss yeah but then people might start asking awkward questions like “why is this whole city stuck with infrastructure from the 60s”
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@sapphire @Hoss That’s probably a better way of putting it actually since it’s pre-existing demand that simply wasn’t realized before because the capacity wasn’t there.
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@Hoss Flying cars will only ever fill the niche currently filled by helicopters at best. They’re expensive, fragile, noisy, dangerous in the hands of idiots, can’t travel very far, have no infrastructure such as illuminated landing pads available, would be incredibly destructive in the event of a crash, and a ton of them buzzing around entirely uncoordinated in a major city would be a recipe for disaster.
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Well yeah, that's why only I should be allowed to have one.
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@sapphire @Hoss Actually cities often apply for federal funding on road infrastructure so they have the budget for other things, which because of stupid regulations is how you end up with massive four-lane one-way stroads in a residential area near downtown with a design speed of like 55 MPH but a speed limit of 25 which people just ignore. The feds won’t fund smaller roads, so if you want it fixed you have to overengineer it into a drag strip to get any of it covered.
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@BionicNigga @Hoss no, this is all funds, federal and otherwise. 8 billion dollars a year including anything to do with roads, federal and state funding. About what we give Israel when they want to roll a tank over a child's skull
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@BionicNigga @Hoss or “why is my entire state’s road budget lower than a single instance of US aid to Israel”
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@WandererUber @Jonny @KaiserKitty @skylar @BionicNigga @Hoss I wanted to say “not in Europe” but I missed that you said “civilized”
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@Jonny @KaiserKitty @skylar @BionicNigga @Hoss they do this basically everywhere in the civilized world except mainland US.
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@KaiserKitty @skylar @BionicNigga @WandererUber @Hoss
Here in Honolulu, there is a Mitsubishi incinerator that produces over 10% of the island’s electricity. They can’t wait too get more garbage.
THINK ABOUT IT.
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@WandererUber @Jonny @KaiserKitty @skylar @BionicNigga @Hoss what else do they “do” in europe
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@lain @Jonny @KaiserKitty @skylar @BionicNigga @Hoss they do do this in europe
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@skylar @WandererUber @Hoss Most civil engineers would agree, but your kids shouldn’t have to worry about getting flattened while playing in their own front yard for the convenience of 4,000 Lbs death machines that don’t even really benefit because of the congestion necessarily induced by traffic signals. Streets have always belonged to the people anyway, “jaywalking” is a forced meme invented by the auto lobby as a band-aid fix as part of their efforts to quell more substantial attempts to mitigate the dangers of cars that could cut into their profits, and you should be able to safely walk around in your own neighborhood, go to shops, and socialize without having to drive five miles to get anywhere or having to worry about drunk drivers hitting you at high speed. Traffic calming saves lives and improves quality of life for everyone.
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@BionicNigga @WandererUber @Hoss i may be a vtuber and enjoy dumb women, but my kids will be smart enough to look both ways before crossing the street
your retarded traffic calming horseshit "improves" the lives of the dregs of society, while inconveniencing normal people just trying to get to work, run their errands, and get home. you are a spiritual leftist, caring more about the fent zombie too zoinked out of his gourd to know he's ambling along in the middle of the street than the hundreds of normal functioning people trying to drive there.
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@BionicNigga @Hoss @WandererUber here's how we fix that mess chat
first, tear out the random fucking concrete in the middle of the road
second, buy some yellow and white paint and paint a center turn lane on there, so folks can turn left without delaying traffic behind them
at the ends of the road, we can do some medians for left turn lanes at the light there, perhaps some right turn lanes as well depending on traffic
if there's still room left in the road, designate some space for parking, but put a time limit on it, so deliveries and contractors and guests can park there, but residents park in their driveways and garages
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@WandererUber @skylar @Hoss Not for commutes. Although interestingly, Waze actually highlighted the safety problems with a lot of residential streets when it came out because it routed people around congested arterials and through obscure local streets increasing vehicle counts and people speeding through neighborhoods, which if the streets were built for human-friendly speeds of 10-15Mph wouldn’t be an issue. That might sound absurdly slow, but the good news is you wouldn’t even need stop signs and would maintain a higher overall speed than someone traveling 30Mph who has to stop for two minutes at every red light. For high traffic intersections you can build roundabouts.
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@BionicNigga @WandererUber @Hoss seems like it'd be way easier to leave the roads normal and not fucked up and slow in some stupid quest for "safety" and simply teach people to look both ways before crossing the street
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@skylar @WandererUber @Hoss Congestion isn’t a new problem, and this has been observed everywhere that they’ve tried just adding more lanes. Traffic doesn’t just spawn out of nowhere, a lot of it is people who had been taking less direct but also less congested routes but switched to the arterial because of its increased capacity, for instance.
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@BionicNigga @skylar @Hoss never understood how this is supposed to be the case when 90% of people use gps these days and it tells you where to go.
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@BionicNigga @WandererUber @skylar @Hoss Good idea, but cities can't even fill potholes these days let alone something more complex.
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