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   Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 22:13:38 JST Rusty Crab
   Anti-AI people:
   
   If you write code professionally, you know there are tasks that you CANNOT automate away. This is repetitive boilerplate that you have to write, and you've written them literally thousands of times. You do not learn anything new by writing them again. Could be big tasks or small tasks, but they happen a lot.
   
   What is the argument for continuing to do these by hand?
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     Mona (mona@frennet.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 22:16:57 JST Mona

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     @RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co because retarded reasons i didn't start fully learning code until having access to AI

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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 22:53:19 JST pwm

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     • Kerosene ~suya~ CEO of DarkFedi
     @kerosene @RustyCrab Same! that's why I get my coffee at Starbucks :niggayum:
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     Kerosene ~suya~ CEO of DarkFedi (kerosene@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 22:53:21 JST Kerosene ~suya~ CEO of DarkFedi

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     @RustyCrab I want every curly brace to be hand-crafted and carefully plastered on the Notepad canvas with love by a real artisan.
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     Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:04:48 JST Rusty Crab

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     • Kerosene ~suya~ CEO of DarkFedi
     @kerosene valid :niggacheck:
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:05:16 JST Johnny Peligro

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     • PunishedD
     @PunishedD @RustyCrab so you use grok for coding?
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     PunishedD (punishedd@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:05:17 JST PunishedD

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     @RustyCrab I want to grok every line of code I'm committing. And I sometimes mess with boilerplate to try something.
     
     Note this is not an argument that I'm more productive or producing better code. But if I'm going to be so autistic that I write gobbledygook for the demon box and its lighted screen, then I'm going to indulge my own type of autism as well.
     
     (Also my current gig doesn't have good opportunities where AI would help.)
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     Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:10:49 JST Rusty Crab

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     • PunishedD
     @PunishedD valid answer so long as it's preference. I largely take issue with people claiming things like "you are objectively stupid and a worse coder for using an LLM". My fingers have gone numb from writing for so long.
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:11:46 JST Johnny Peligro

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     • VIPPER
     @VIPPER @RustyCrab if you know what you're dealing with you can spot hallucinations. And a classmate at uni told me that he used o3 (chatgpt) for an assignment and it did it perfectly so ymmv
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     VIPPER (vipper@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:11:47 JST VIPPER

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     @RustyCrab I'm anti-AI because it hallucinates and gets shit completely wrong. If you use it to write code for you, you're gonna be in debugging hell later.
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:12:19 JST Johnny Peligro

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     • VIPPER
     @RustyCrab @VIPPER i use it last year for opengl (very simple, gl classic) code, and it worked greatly
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     Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:12:20 JST Rusty Crab

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     • VIPPER
     @VIPPER depends on the model you use and what you're using it for. In this case I am talking its use when you already know what you are doing. A typing assistant, in other words, so long as you are capable of proofreading.
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     Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:12:36 JST Rusty Crab

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     • earthling
     @earthling in general the more the tedium, the more AI is valid.
     
     Visual arts actually have a ton of tedium that could and should be automated such as generating plaid patterns on moving characters (an enormous problem currently). I am not aware of anything that can actually do that however.
     
     For creative writing yeah, I can't think of any valid reason to use it other than pure laziness. Maybe an author can point out a use case.
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     earthling (earthling@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:12:37 JST earthling

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     @RustyCrab ai works great for automating tedious tasks where there's no creative thinking involved that's what it's best used for imo. what i have no respect for is stuff like ai art, ai-written creative writing, ai replacement of actors etc.
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:12:53 JST Johnny Peligro

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     @RustyCrab @earthling > For creative writing yeah, I can't think of any valid reason to use it other than pure laziness. Maybe an author can point out a use case.
     ai gfs 😭😭😭🥹🥹🥹
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     Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:21:25 JST Rusty Crab

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     @icst k
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     Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:21:25 JST Rusty Crab

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     @icst look man I'm not trying to be dismissive but there are good and bad applications for AI. Throwing college students and jeets at a professional product and thinking AI will fix it is slop and a bad application.

     Accelerating work of real professionals who know what they're doing and making them more capable beyond current human standards is not only a good application but it's inevitable.

     I don't want to see /ourguys/ get left behind from being luddites. I spent years and years trying to accelerate my workflow and trust me when I say I hit the limit of what reasonably good coders are capable of.

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     ICScaryThings (icst@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:21:26 JST ICScaryThings

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     @RustyCrab tbh I don't understand what kind of chink tier codemil slave pit you must be working at that you don't have time to run a few substitution regexes. I legitimately think your job is taking advantage of you, so they probably deserve AI slop code anyways for making retarded unrealistic demands
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     ICScaryThings (icst@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:21:27 JST ICScaryThings

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     @RustyCrab I would literally keep a folder full of tested scrap code functions that were previously written for other things and paste it I don't see why that wouldn't work just as well if not better than the ai slop
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     Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:21:27 JST Rusty Crab

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     • ICScaryThings
     @icst because you need to tailor that code by hand each time you use it and that adds up quick if you are doing it dozens or hundreds of times in a day.
     
     Same reason why snippets only get you so far.
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     Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:56:32 JST Rusty Crab

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     • Johnny Peligro
     @PunishedD @mischievoustomato elon cannot name things worth a shit. Tesla is the only brand name he's ever made that isn't shit and I'll bet he didn't come up with that.
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     PunishedD (punishedd@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 14-May-2025 23:56:33 JST PunishedD

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     • Johnny Peligro
     @mischievoustomato @RustyCrab No, I mean grok in the original usage of the word, from Stranger In A Strange Land to 1980s Unix hackers. Elon stole the name for nerd cred.