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   • Murray_N

   @realcaseyrollins

   If yiou want my opinion on it you will either need to summarize it for me, or link me to it.

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     Cool, ill let ya know my thoughts soonish.

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     @freemo @Murray_N

     Oh dang my bad yes here's the podcast episode:

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah6kirkSwTg

     I think the first hour or so is skippable because I don't think they talk about the #IsraelHamasWar until the second hour or so. Or there's a 15 minute clip:

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj9YcCOioZE

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     Watch the 15 minute clip.. doubling back to the full one now as I feel that didnt give enough context.

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     So short answer, he does exactly what every single person who picks a side in this debate (or any debate) and digs in tends to do... He uses every true thing he can say to his advantage, and completely denies every true thing that works against his pov as a lie (with little or no evidence to back it).

     A good test, did he have anything at **all** critical to say against his own argument? anything? nope?

     Now look at our past arguments, I clearly have picked a side out of the two. But do you see me trying to claim my side is perfect no. Look at the person arguing against him, does he admit wrong doing on both sides, or just the side he is against? That will always tell you more about who is at least being intellectually honest in any debate and it clearly isnt Dave here.

     So I will largely just reiterate my point ive made many many times before. The situation is, within the lifetime of a single person we have israel carrying out biological (infectious disease) warfare on the Palestinians in the first days of the war, they win that war, using the most vile and inappropriate of terrorism, on a scale that palestine has never came close to attempting themselves. This is accepted fact, even israel doesnt deny it. Everything else has followed from that act.

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     I think its pretty idiotic to claim an appeal to authority in and of itself. Everyone is welcome to an opinion. However i agree that someones experiences (such as visiting the area) should be a factor in someone judging the credibility of an opinion. But that is not the same as saying a person shouldnt have an opinion.

     That said I moved to Israel and lived there for over 2 years recently in part specifically so i could get to know both sides in the war first hand and have a real on-the-ground opinion. I found that to be a rewarding experience that has certainly effected my view and refined it.

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins
     You shouldn’t let that train wreck inform you about Dave’s opinion about wrongdoing on both sides.
     There’s plenty of video of Dave’s opinion and he clearly believes what Hamas did was bad.
     Dave can be a bit egotistical but he’s usually balanced.

     That “debate” wasn’t supposed to be a thoughtful investigation. If it was it would have spent the whole 3 hours putting forth facts, having Jamie bring up people’s own words, etc., not suggesting that Joe gatekeep.

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins
     In the wake of the podcast there have been a number of people from the Israel is always right crowd putting out opinions.
     The common theme is dancing around the idea that there needs to be some kind of control over who should be allowed to be heard on the largest platforms.

     As Murray suggested that Joe letting anyone voice there opinion is equivalent to opening the sewers…..without actually knowing what these people are saying…..or more likely pretending not to.

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     I would imagine most people see what they want to see. Im not sure its the IDF intentionally being misleading so much as them just being on their best behavior when they are under the eyes of a foreigner to some extent, and also just the fact that there isnt much to see other than the fact that they just dont let much shit in or out.

     You see much more when you see starving uneducated kids in the street with no power because israel had, for months, cut the power to the area as a punishment.

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins
     Getting to know the people on the ground definitely grounds one to the humanity of the situation.
     Douglas Murray likely got to see exactly what the IDF…and Mossad, wanted him to.
     200 ish journalists have had the courtesy to visit the area since the recent thing kicked off and were killed for their courtesy so that’s definitely a gamble if you aren’t inclined to agree with what they’re doing there.

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     I'm familiar with much of the early history. But I was there largely to see the modern state of things and hear peoples opinions. One thing i learned is palestinians are quite proud of their long term presence in the area. Most palestinians living in palestine have as a central figure in their home huge family trees showing their ties to the region going back many generations. Meanwhile most Isralis havent been there more than a generation or two and have no clue if their lineage has any roots in the area or not in most cases (other than perhaps biblical references to some people practicing a similar religion to them).

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     Did you learn much about the history of the planning and implementation of Israel’s creation?
     Read the writings of some of the key early figures?

     Rich has been playing his presentation for the RedPill Expo on his show.
     The first part was the end of last weeks show and he did part 2 at the end of this weeks. I’m in the middle of listening to it on mp3 but I’m sure the video has more details.
     Rich always brings the receipts.
     5:02
     https://rumble.com/v6snfwt-grand-theft-world-podcast-232-global-robophobia.html

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     I barely had the time to do the deepdive on that last one. But I agree it was largely a circus.. i mean just some guy saying some shit like "everyone lies about israel" without really a hard look at facts to justify it. The vast nmajority of what was said was just wasted air and I couldnt really even comment on it meaningfully if i wanted to. Now the parts he did say something meaningful, mostly specific jabs at palestine I can address, but they were far and few between for how much hot air was spewed.

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     Part 1 is at 6:14
     https://rumble.com/v6sclcb-grand-theft-world-podcast-231-a-lazy-old-trope.html

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     You’ll get a lot more out of an investment in time watching this than that ridiculous Rogan circus…….

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     Wait maybe i confused who dave smith was here... Is Dave Smith the guy who has the british accent and sounds like a wanker relying mostly on appeals to authority? The pro Israel guy? Cause he is who i was talking about.

     That other dude that was largely negative about both Israel and Palestine, him I found to be reasonable and agreed with in general however felt his argument was, as often is the case, focusing on the wrong things. Who is doing evil things now is only relevant if we look at the context of the things done to get here.

     The most impiortant aspect of my stance is, Israel used the worst imaginable form of terrorism, a form that Palestine has to this day not used (biological warfare). They used it to win, get the upper hand, and trap the palestinians in a horrific state. Only once they used those tactics, and won, and completely suppressed the other side did they even try to pretend to be the good guys (and still fail at even that). It is not the least bit surprising that the underdog would use terrorist tactics that are more mild than the terrorist tactics used against them, now that they are on the loosing side.

     If you just ignore the 100 some years of what was done against them and try to play it like just the last year is all that existed you make a very poor and dishonest argument, and its what a lot of people defending palestine keep getting goated into.

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     @freemo @Murray_N So, what happens if #Hamas attacks #Israel, while in civilian installations? Should the #IDF attack, or wait for them to go outside? I don't think #DaveSmith could have given a palatable answer to that question without forsaking his principles. /2

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     @freemo @Murray_N Also I do want to be fair to #DaveSmith, I think he did say that #Hamas is bad and has his faults. He views both #Hamas and the #IDF as evil entities, because they both engage in war, and also because when they do engage in war they sometimes break #InternationalLaw. /3

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     @freemo @Murray_N I think both #DaveSmith and #DouglasMurray were wrong in different ways, but #DouglasMurray could have absolutely pinned #DaveSmith to the wall several times but didn't do it.

     My problem with #DaveSmith's position is that it would allow #Hamas to flourish so long as they hide behind human shields. According to him, collateral damage is unacceptable (more or less, I wish #DouglasMurray made him clarify his position on collateral damage). /1

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     They should do exactly what every other nation does. Go in, but take extra risk in how you do it to ensure you keep the civilians reasonably safe as you do. That means you dont level an area with civilians with bombs, you go in with snipers or targeted amunition and make an attempt to reasonably limit civilian death, even if that puts your own military at a slightly higher risk. Because thats what good people do, they risk their lives for the innocent.

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     the issue around them leveling an area with civilians in it is certainly a legit concern. But to me the bigger issue and what is more telling is how they intentionally attack, punish, and torture the citizens where there is no military justification. In the 2 years I was there they had a huge region of palestine with power cut off intentionally as punishment. It was one of the huge issues brought up in international court when Israel was to be tried for war crimes and of course Israel refused to even show in court.

     Youc an always make excuses as to why they killed too many civilians, and the details are nebulous. But when you have long-standing quality of life attacks directly and intentionally on the people, while the death toll might not be as infuriating, it far more reflects on their terrorist mentality than anything else.

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     @freemo @Murray_N That's a reasonable approach I think

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     It was basically done int he 2 years leading up to the Oct 7th attack and was one fo the major motivating factors for the attack.

     The other one was that Israel completely disregarded the Palestinian border and were settling Palestinian lands despite the agreement to the contrary and peace. Why would Palestine maintain peace when Israel just comes and takes up land and settles it whenever they feel like it even if they are being peaceful?

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     > In the 2 years I was there they had a huge region of palestine with power cut off intentionally as punishment. It was one of the huge issues brought up in international court when Israel was to be tried for war crimes and of course Israel refused to even show in court.

     Was that the siege of #Gaza? I remember that. Terrible stuff.

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     I wasn't aware of that, the only thing I remembered happening directly before #Oct7 was a journalist getting sniped near the border, which reignited conversations regarding #Israel and #Palestine amongst my IRL circles.

     In your second paragraph are you referring to #Gaza or the #WestBank?

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     The power was in Gaza, the stealing of land designated for the palestinians was in the west bank. It also wasnt a one-time thing but a repeated pattern of Israel, to steal Palestinian land and settle it during peace time despite agreed upon borders.

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     Oh in that case I flip my comments as i though the other guy was Dave... Sounds like Dave was reasonable and the Douglas guy was just being intentionally dishonest (perhaps even with himself).

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins
     Douglas Murray is the brit.

     Smith is a comedian and a student of the anarcho-capitalist Austrian libertarian school.
     A Ron Paulian-Rothbardian……mostly.

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     You can be... but being right doesnt mean your words have value either.

     And Dave's position wasnt wrong, he just did a shit job at arguing because he left Douglas's bad faith argument lead the direction of the debate, he was reactive rather than proactive in the debate, and when you do that against a bad faith actor you will have a weak position whether you are right or not.

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     @Murray_N @freemo I think #DaveSmith's weakness is his position, not the pressure he was under. He did really well in that #JRE debate with #DouglasMurray, but it doesn't mean I agree with his philosophy.

     The point of my reply was, you can be good faith and wrong, and you can be bad faith and correct.

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     @Murray_N @freemo To be fair I think this is a bit of the poisoning the well fallacy.

     Let me point this in the other direction: #DaveSmith was the good faith actor in this debate. Does this mean everything he said is correct? No, it does not.

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     Very few get it all correct….especially under the pressure of a hostile attack.
     When one’s style of debate is clearly to rattle the opposition and prevent the investigation of alleged facts one is clearly operating in bad faith.
     It’s impressive Dave is able to hold it together as well as he does. I guess all those Pierce Morgan appearances help with that.

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     I’m less generous and more conspiratorial.
     When you look at the voices now hinting at some kind of regulation necessary in the “wild west” of the podcast space……well the narrative must go on you know.

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     @nicholas how can a Libertarian be in favor of the state of Isreal?
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     You might find this debate more elucidating of Dave's position, and you'll get to hear from a pro Israeli libertarian instead of just pro-Israeli neocos, which is a nice change of pace as well.

     https://tomwoods.com/ep-2538-israel-debate-walter-block-vs-dave-smith/

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     Yea, I mean the other guy knew he was lying to himself on some level, thats why he used the traps/smoke and mirrors at all. He knew if he actually debated ont he facts he wouldnt have a leg to stand on.

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     To be fair, he could have sat there the whole 3 hours silently and Murray would have bloviated the whole time.

     But then Murray did need Dave to fall into some of his traps like “ you haven’t beeeen???”

     Jimmy Dore did a great bit on that and nailed what was going on: That’s called acting.

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     Yea once he went down that road my eyes rolled so very hard they almost got stuck there. That was the moment he lost any chance of me taking him as an objective party in the conversation.

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     @Murray_N @freemo but yeah the "you haven't been" thing was hilarious lol

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     @Murray_N @freemo NGL for the first five minutes of the podcast #DouglasMurray was going on and on about the type of guests #JoeRogan has on #JRE and because I listen to podcasts on #RSS feeds and not on #YouTube, I couldn't see the video, and thought maybe #DouglasMurray got there early and #DaveSmith would join later. But no, he was there, Douglas was just going on and on lol

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     Honestly I dont mind people being hypocritical IF they are currently int he right. People can change their opinions for the situation. But the fact that he does it simply to win an argument, rather than a realization of any meaning is the real damning part.

     Also its just such a shit excuse.. like I know plenty of people who literally lived their whole lives in israel or palestine and clearly are so biased by their personal expiernces couldnt even begin to see the situation objectively or clearly. Sometimes NOT being in the situation can give you greater clarity than someone on the ground.

     When I was in israel i had bombs blowing up all around me sent from Palestine as I sat in my high rise home, constantly needing to hide in a bunker. Most people would develop a clear bias and hate towards Palestine due to that personal experience regardless of the details around it. For many going there can be what makes you biased. I am just exceptionally good at emotional detachment (though not perfect), so for me that didnt really bias me strongly and I was more effected by my time getting to know the people on both sides and understanding their views.

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins
     He was also being incredibly hypocritical there.
     He was a great warrior in the anti woke movement.
     He made the very arguments then he is attacking now, such that he doesn’t need the woke “ lived experience “ to have an opinion.
     There is a great video of Douglas Murray vs Douglas Murray out there that many have included in their shows showing a head to head of him directly contradicting himself.

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     It goes way before the trauma though. Religion drove them to think they had a right to steal a land from a people and exterminate them. The trauma came later.

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     I, from my admittedly insulated position (I’ve never beeeen) see Israel as the ultimate experiment in trauma based mind control.

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     LAWL

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     @realcaseyrollins @freemo
     https://youtu.be/YNOJ5Mt2qxY

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     So much great content has been produced on that.

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     @nicholas I was specifically referencing the STATE part. But hey nothing is more libertarian than claiming others are not real libertarians.
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     • Robert James

     Ah, well if you listen to the debate, I think you will get the best argument.

     I don't find Walter persuasive, but I don't doubt his sincerity, and I find the folks trying to drum him out of the Libertarian movement over this to be childish.