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   • Murray_N

   @realcaseyrollins

   If yiou want my opinion on it you will either need to summarize it for me, or link me to it.

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     Cool, ill let ya know my thoughts soonish.

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     Oh dang my bad yes here's the podcast episode:

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah6kirkSwTg

     I think the first hour or so is skippable because I don't think they talk about the #IsraelHamasWar until the second hour or so. Or there's a 15 minute clip:

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj9YcCOioZE

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     Watch the 15 minute clip.. doubling back to the full one now as I feel that didnt give enough context.

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     So short answer, he does exactly what every single person who picks a side in this debate (or any debate) and digs in tends to do... He uses every true thing he can say to his advantage, and completely denies every true thing that works against his pov as a lie (with little or no evidence to back it).

     A good test, did he have anything at **all** critical to say against his own argument? anything? nope?

     Now look at our past arguments, I clearly have picked a side out of the two. But do you see me trying to claim my side is perfect no. Look at the person arguing against him, does he admit wrong doing on both sides, or just the side he is against? That will always tell you more about who is at least being intellectually honest in any debate and it clearly isnt Dave here.

     So I will largely just reiterate my point ive made many many times before. The situation is, within the lifetime of a single person we have israel carrying out biological (infectious disease) warfare on the Palestinians in the first days of the war, they win that war, using the most vile and inappropriate of terrorism, on a scale that palestine has never came close to attempting themselves. This is accepted fact, even israel doesnt deny it. Everything else has followed from that act.

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     I think its pretty idiotic to claim an appeal to authority in and of itself. Everyone is welcome to an opinion. However i agree that someones experiences (such as visiting the area) should be a factor in someone judging the credibility of an opinion. But that is not the same as saying a person shouldnt have an opinion.

     That said I moved to Israel and lived there for over 2 years recently in part specifically so i could get to know both sides in the war first hand and have a real on-the-ground opinion. I found that to be a rewarding experience that has certainly effected my view and refined it.

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     Murray_N (murray_n@noauthority.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 10:34:01 JST Murray_N

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins
     You shouldn’t let that train wreck inform you about Dave’s opinion about wrongdoing on both sides.
     There’s plenty of video of Dave’s opinion and he clearly believes what Hamas did was bad.
     Dave can be a bit egotistical but he’s usually balanced.

     That “debate” wasn’t supposed to be a thoughtful investigation. If it was it would have spent the whole 3 hours putting forth facts, having Jamie bring up people’s own words, etc., not suggesting that Joe gatekeep.

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     Murray_N (murray_n@noauthority.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 10:34:01 JST Murray_N

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins
     In the wake of the podcast there have been a number of people from the Israel is always right crowd putting out opinions.
     The common theme is dancing around the idea that there needs to be some kind of control over who should be allowed to be heard on the largest platforms.

     As Murray suggested that Joe letting anyone voice there opinion is equivalent to opening the sewers…..without actually knowing what these people are saying…..or more likely pretending not to.

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     I would imagine most people see what they want to see. Im not sure its the IDF intentionally being misleading so much as them just being on their best behavior when they are under the eyes of a foreigner to some extent, and also just the fact that there isnt much to see other than the fact that they just dont let much shit in or out.

     You see much more when you see starving uneducated kids in the street with no power because israel had, for months, cut the power to the area as a punishment.

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     Murray_N (murray_n@noauthority.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 11:27:12 JST Murray_N

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins
     Getting to know the people on the ground definitely grounds one to the humanity of the situation.
     Douglas Murray likely got to see exactly what the IDF…and Mossad, wanted him to.
     200 ish journalists have had the courtesy to visit the area since the recent thing kicked off and were killed for their courtesy so that’s definitely a gamble if you aren’t inclined to agree with what they’re doing there.

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     I'm familiar with much of the early history. But I was there largely to see the modern state of things and hear peoples opinions. One thing i learned is palestinians are quite proud of their long term presence in the area. Most palestinians living in palestine have as a central figure in their home huge family trees showing their ties to the region going back many generations. Meanwhile most Isralis havent been there more than a generation or two and have no clue if their lineage has any roots in the area or not in most cases (other than perhaps biblical references to some people practicing a similar religion to them).

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     Murray_N (murray_n@noauthority.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Apr-2025 11:29:18 JST Murray_N

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     @freemo @realcaseyrollins

     Did you learn much about the history of the planning and implementation of Israel’s creation?
     Read the writings of some of the key early figures?

     Rich has been playing his presentation for the RedPill Expo on his show.
     The first part was the end of last weeks show and he did part 2 at the end of this weeks. I’m in the middle of listening to it on mp3 but I’m sure the video has more details.
     Rich always brings the receipts.
     5:02
     https://rumble.com/v6snfwt-grand-theft-world-podcast-232-global-robophobia.html