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Sue Smith (sue@glasgow.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 01:14:01 JST Sue Smith

While I hesitate to encourage folk to run unnecessary queries, I do think the "made up phrase" + "meaning" google search is a great exercise in helping people understand what generative AI actually does.. I've found it hard to explain to folk outside tech that its purpose is literally just to generate text but this seems a more intuitive demo that might make them question the output.
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1. Al Overview The saying "too many cats poison the chip" is a common phrase suggesting that having an excessive number of cats in a household can create a negative impact, particularly on the quality of care and the well-being of the cats themselves. This phrase highlights the potential for overcrowded conditions to lead to hygiene issues, increased stress, and a higher risk of disease. Here's a breakdown of the meaning: "Too many cats": This refers to the point where the number of cats in a household exceeds the capacity for providing adequate care, resources, and attention to each individual cat. "Poison the chip": This is a metaphorical phrase. The "chip" in this context refers to the individual cat's well-being and quality of life. The phrase implies that overcrowding can negatively impact the chip, leading to a decline in their physical and mental health.
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  Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 01:15:18 JST Paul Cantrell
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  This is excellent! Boosted.
  My own favorite example is a chat transcript that run something like this:
  HUMAN: I have a cabbage and a boat. How do I get the cabbage across a river?
  LLM: First you take the wolf….
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  Steve Canon (steve@discuss.systems)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 01:37:45 JST Steve Canon
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  @inthehands @sue These things have all of the world's knowledge, and none of the world's wisdom.
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  1. I asked what “the horse raced past the barn” means. AI just assumes I’m asking about the famous linguistics example “the horse raced past the barn fell” and answers that instead.
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  Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 01:37:50 JST Paul Cantrell
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  omg, chef’s kiss
  
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  Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 09:44:48 JST Paul Cantrell
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  “Worked” is really a stretch here. The fundamental thing here isn’t just the quality of the answer (yes, no wolf is better); is that the thing doesn’t understand what a boat is, or what crossing is, or what a river is, because it just doesn’t •understand• anything period. That is does a better job than before of coherently repeating textual patterns doesn’t fundamentally move it away from the fact that it can’t think about the problem; it can only copy the answer to a seemingly related question.
  
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  Tom (tomknuf@social.anoxinon.de)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 09:44:58 JST Tom
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  @jn @inthehands @sue I just tested this with GPT-4o and it worked. Not as bad, but the answer is still quite rubbish
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  Jordan Kay (jn@c.im)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 09:44:59 JST Jordan Kay
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  @inthehands @sue To be fair (and this is coming from an extreme AI skeptic), I rarely if ever see those types of errors anymore with current models.
  
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  JD (wuputah@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 09:46:27 JST JD
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  @jn @inthehands @sue Yeah I just tested this on Gemini 2.0 Flash, 2.5 Flash, and 2.5 Pro, and none of them really suffer from this, though 2.0 Flash wanted to take a guess. I suspect the one on Google Search is a very low cost model.
  
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  Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 09:46:27 JST Paul Cantrell
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  GPT-4o still works by plagiarizing the common puzzle answer from a place of complete and total incomprehension:
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    Angehängt: 1 Bild @jn@c.im @inthehands@hachyderm.io @sue@glasgow.social I just tested this with GPT-4o and it worked. Not as bad, but the answer is still quite rubbish
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  Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 11:19:25 JST Paul Cantrell
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  I mean, yes: I think a lot of people have got through life by bullshitting everything, and that’s why they truly don’t understand why a bullshitting LLM can’t just do everyone’s job now.
  
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  elCelio 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (elcelio@mastodon.uno)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 11:19:27 JST elCelio 🇪🇺 🇺🇦
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  @inthehands @tomknuf @jn @sue so it works like many humans 🤔
  
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  Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 11:19:57 JST Paul Cantrell
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  Smells like manual intervention to me.
  
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  Coach Pāṇini ® (paninid@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 11:19:59 JST Coach Pāṇini ®
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  Claude is wise to the trend:
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  1. John Brown I have a cabbage and a boat, how do I get the cabbage over the river To get the cabbage across the river using your boat, simply place the cabbage in the boat, row across the river, and then unload the cabbage on the other side. Is this for the classic "wolf, goat, and cabbage" puzzle? If so, there's a bit more complexity involved since you would also need to transport a wolf and a goat, with the constraint that you can only carry one item at a time and can't leave certain combinations unattended. Let me know if you'd like me to explain the full solution to that puzzle!
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  Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 13:24:11 JST Paul Cantrell
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  Ironically, I have some kind of weird sensory disorder that leaves me averse to the smell of all fruit — including fresh tomatoes, eggplant, cucumber, and peppers. So this discussion really hits close to home for me!
  (P.S. No worries about discussing this all in my mentions, just as long as I don’t have to smell any of it.)
  
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  Steve Canon (steve@discuss.systems)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 13:24:12 JST Steve Canon
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  @chocobo13 @FrChazzz @inthehands @sue cucumber, peppers, …
  
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  Rev. Charles Browning (frchazzz@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 13:24:13 JST Rev. Charles Browning
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  @steve @inthehands @sue This inspires me to share my favorite definition of wisdom I've ever received (thanks to a sixth grader from when I was a teacher):
  Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing that a tomato doesn't belong in a fruit salad.
  
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  chocobo13ζ (chocobo13@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 13:24:13 JST chocobo13ζ
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  I've been thinking that there probably exists a really good savory technically-fruit salad involving tomatoes. Maybe eggplant as well?
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  Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 21:24:21 JST Rich Felker
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  @thewhite969 @inthehands @paninid I mean it may be both. I wouldn't be surprised if their "manual intervention" consists of having someone write a bunch of explainers and feeding them into corpus with high weights.
  What's telling is that they'll do this when the model embarrasses them with how obviously fake the impression of "intelligence" is, but not when the bot is vomiting up hate speech.
  
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  Philipp Weiß (thewhite969@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 21:24:22 JST Philipp Weiß
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  @inthehands @paninid It may be manuel intervention, because it's a common fault.
  Or it might be, that it's a common fault and so there's much content on the Internet laughing about this. And the training data of the LLM are newer and contain this content. And in some magical way this leads to the LLM scoring this combination of words as more relevant to the question.
  The important thing in the end is: The LLM doesn't _understand_ anything.
  
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  Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 21:59:23 JST Paul Cantrell
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  Ah, yes, I misunderstood you!
  
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  Tom (tomknuf@social.anoxinon.de)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 21:59:24 JST Tom
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  @inthehands @jn @sue I think you misunderstood me. I meant "worked" in the sense that it still isn't able to answer this adequately, opposed to the other replier that LLMs nowadaws don't make such mistakes anymore.
  
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  Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 25-Apr-2025 22:53:13 JST Paul Cantrell
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  My suspicion is that they do actually attempt the whack-a-mole with hate speech, which keeps generating bad press, but there’s just •so• much of it in the training data
  
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