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@grumble209 @benroyce @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
That 90M number includes a lot of people that were micro-targeted with some very specific misinformation/disinformation. They aren’t stupid, but they aren’t as attentive to the details of what’s going on. So those messages have a big impact.
I think this gets missed quite often. It’s a hard problem, as negative ads are effective. It’s worse when they are subtle and cause you to vote (or not vote) against your best interests.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
@mastodonmigration @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
yup
incel drek is hyped as a political method
any stupid shit (antivaxxers, TERFs, creationists, etc)
you appeal to a segment of society (rightfully) rejected, then you indoctrinate them
why right before the 2020 election there was a sudden interest in flat earthers?
they always existed. so why the hype?
it wasn't organic:
appeal to a segment of dum dums, embrace them, move them into your tent
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
@MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
Those negative ad campaigns had an effect yes. And when it comes to creating nonvoters don't forget the troll farm disinfo psyop campaigns on social media selling helplessness despair and cynicism packaged as "high minded" and "thoughtful" when it's just weak stupid cowardice
"BoTh SiDeS tHe SaMe"
Moronic lies
Mastodon Migration
@benroyce @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
Think that we way underestimate the impact of all this manipulation.
"...don't forget the troll farm disinfo psyop campaigns on social media selling helplessness despair and cynicism."
Right now huge segments of teenage boys and young men in the US and UK are psyop programmed psychotic misogynists, and the deliberate psyops reaches into every other demographic. We're all being programmed.
mmalc
No, there aren't too many.
Per @benroyce's post, all that’s needed is to make sure that non-voters actually show up to the polls and cast for Ds. If everyone who voted for Biden had voted for Harris, she'd have won easily.
(Graphic shows U.S. presidential election results 1976 - 2024 ranked per percentage of eligible voters. In every year except 2020, proportion of “did not vote” is higher than for any candidate.)
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
@MannyDexter @TCatInReality @benny @72mz @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
"And telling people they're deplorable or moronic is not going to build what you need."
there's no point appealing to MAGA idiots. sorry, i mean deplorable morons. 1/3 of the country is toxic waste to route around
we have to aim at the 1/3 who do not vote
and this idea "meanie poopiehead democrat hurt my fee fees, so i'm going to vote for fascism" is fucking stupid manny
Dragon-sided D
@benroyce @MannyDexter @TCatInReality @benny @72mz @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
Problem is we can't "route around" them. There are too many.
We have no choice but to meet them where they are, and give them a path out.
Manny Dexter
@TCatInReality @benny @benroyce @72mz @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
Yup.
And telling people they're deplorable or moronic is not going to build what you need.
One of the major issues in my precinct is that voters feel that the Democrats are as bad for their daily lives as Republicans.
I attended Coach Walz and Beto's town hall. There was a lot of talk about saving the middle class.
Many of my voters feel that this isn't them. They rent. They work multiple jobs. Some of them I only connect with when the city is shut down because they are normally at work or asleep.
When I was growing up, the Dems were the party of working people. It doesn't seem like that now.
TC Won't Give In To Lies
@benny @benroyce @72mz @MannyDexter @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
Two issues:
1) America is first past the post, so third parties often harm the parties they should be allied with.
2) Republican have abandoned voting on policy or principle. They vote for tribal power. They will be very hard to split.
IMO, the better strategy is a very broad Dem party (far left to centre right). But reframe as "fighters" to lure some of the GOP voters drawn by that.
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TC Won't Give In To Lies
@benny @benroyce @72mz @MannyDexter @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
But more than anything, anyone anti-MAGA needs to be rebuilding communication networks outside the rightwing control (or complicit MSM)
That means off techbro social media, as well as supporting leftist and investigative media. It requires rebuilding social groups and protests.
Without that, no message gets out and the voters are (again) manipulated by propaganda.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
@72mz @benny @MannyDexter @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
yes
the centrism of the democrats is why the right is winning
the question is:
how do we fix it?
we can't do 3rd party, our fptp system means we divide the left and the right wins again
the only way forward is to take over the democratic party, treat it like an empty vessel, and kick out the spineless centrists
that requires voting
especially in #primaries2026
we need to mob them and get 50 AOCs
TC Won't Give In To Lies
@benroyce @72mz @benny @MannyDexter @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
While I completely agree about taking over the Dem party to pull it leftwards, I disagree that alone is the solution.
Jeremy Corbyn's terrible showing in the UK 2019 election (despite lots of excitement and supporters) shows what a Bernie or other progressive candidate would do in the US.
Most critical is breaking the rightwing stranglehold on media (online and trad).
benny
@TCatInReality @benroyce @72mz @MannyDexter @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe there needs to be a centrist party that draws voters from the Reps. Split them, give them the rightmost Dems and win with a progressively renewed Democratic party.
72mz
@benny @benroyce @MannyDexter @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
Maybe that's why the far right is winning elections.
benny
@72mz @benroyce @MannyDexter @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe there is no far left in the USA. The left wing of Democrats would be centre right in Europe.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
@MannyDexter @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
all the dems who fought for roe v wade are the problem not the GOP who destroyed roe v wade?
your attitude is watching a guy approach you with a knife, and you nitpicking how the guy fighting back for your sake is inadequate
they're inadequate because of your attitude
not enough vote on the left
that is the root cause
saying it is someone else's responsibility to do your responsibility is a lazy coward's cop out
72mz
@benroyce @MannyDexter @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
I'm a former R, now an I who supports more left centrist policies. I'm disgusted with so called progressives who don't support the Ds unless the party veers far left. I think they cripple the party with their demands resulting in battleground state losses.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
@MannyDexter @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
"who is elected is irrelevant to their daily lives"
i can say oxygen is irrelevant to my daily life. i take it for granted. so i am a moron
"are you really suggesting that Schumer's & Jeffries' spineless asses are somehow better than the regime they're capitulating to"
ah yes. while the GOP removes your rights, let's attack the feeble response. in fact, let's not vote dem, and get our rights removed faster
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
@MannyDexter @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
you vote for the dems. you iteratively get better candidates that reflect the vote
you don't vote, you get spineless candidates who dither and lose
"i'm not voting, then magically, better candidates will appear right now. then i'll vote" is not how it will ever work
*your attitude* is the problem
sucky dems is an effect, not a cause
Manny Dexter
@benroyce @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
I live in Texas.
Harris got more votes in the state of Texas than in New York.
The reason Roe v Wade was overturned is that sending Democrats to Washington wasn't enough.
If you don't do the work, you don't get the credit.
Manny Dexter
@benroyce @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe
Not lies.
Seriously, for some voters, who is elected is irrelevant to their daily lives. This is a pragmatic view for these voters.
I don't know whether the No ThEy ArE NoT!! people are ignorant or dismissive, and I don't particularly care.
If you aren't able to see or acknowledge this, maybe you are the moron in the room.
The platforms may be different, but are you really suggesting that Schumer's & Jeffries' spineless asses are somehow better than the regime they're capitulating to?
If so, show your work.
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