Rich Felker
Has anyone done a full teardown of a Tesla's software stack? With full details on what/when/how it exfiltrates, what direct backdoors it has (short of updates), etc.?
I suspect not, and donating one to a hacker group willing to do this would be a great way to dispose of it.
Arne Visscher
@dalias there was a thread years ago where someone who did provisioning etc. It had me tearing my hairs out as a junior 🙃 I have not been able to dig it back up sadly.
yuhasz01
Do the same hacking for the Starlink network as well
Rich Felker
@yuhasz01 Pwn starlink and deorbit the whole constellation.
tinydoctor
@dalias @yuhasz01 Can you do that without triggering a Kessler cascade?
tinydoctor
@Phosphenes @dalias @yuhasz01 How much damage would low earth orbit not-Starlink stuff take?
Phosphenes
You could take out all of Starlink with a suborbital sand bomb, but it would leave LEO unusable for a while.
Jim Flanagan
Rich Felker
@nazokiyoubinbou See that's a completely valid but different issue.
The people to do what I suggested above need to be the ones who aren't trying to make 3p open firmware for Teslas but who want Teslas off the road completely as part of bankrupting the guy behind the fascist coup, and who are willing to utilize reversed engineering and strategic publication messaging to those ends.
Nazo
@dalias I feel like most modern cars seriously need third party open firmware replacements, but if any single one needed to be singled out above all others it is absolutely and unequivocally the Tesla line.
Scott Wilson
@dalias A few years back I read a really long Reddit thread from a former Tesla engineer. I’m sure I won’t be able to find it now…
But it was full of horror stories like an an anonymous FTP server that hosted the car’s firmware and totally unauthenticated OTA updates that’d brick vehicles, etc etc etc…
Demi Marie Obenour
@nazokiyoubinbou @dalias 100% agree for stuff like infotainment firmware. For stuff that is safety critical there is an argument that the general public (and any passengers and subsequent owners) have the right to count on safety features not being defeated. I’m not sure where the line should be drawn there.
Rich Felker
@alwayscurious @nazokiyoubinbou That might be a tenable (wrong but tenable) position if the vehicle came from the factory with safety as any consideration in the firmware/electronics. But it doesn't. We live in an age of deregulation that's let manufacturers ship cars where the infotainment system can control the brakes and steering and where everything (like door locks) is illegally fail-deadly but the law doesn't bind corporations.
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