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   Brodie Robertson (brodieonlinux@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 07:38:47 JST Brodie Robertson

   Ubuntu Experiments With All Rust Core Utils!! #Linux #YouTube https://youtu.be/-tNACCZzqO0

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     Brodie Robertson (brodieonlinux@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 08:00:13 JST Brodie Robertson

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     • Thor A. Hopland

     @hopland 10 years later...

     Microsoft decided that it was financially beneficial to exploit these open source developers and build upon this open source project,

     "Wow, if we operate in the open source world we also benefit"

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     Thor A. Hopland (hopland@snabelen.no)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 08:00:14 JST Thor A. Hopland

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     @BrodieOnLinux

     10 years later...

     "...and that's why Microsoft are doodoo heads and should share their improved version of uutils.

     Mark Shurtleworth."

     This comment brought to you by the "#GPL is still awesome #copyleft" gang.

     I do not know how they would make it all that better, or if at that point busybox hasn't been fully ported to zig, but I stand by my silly joke.

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     malba (malba@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 13:40:29 JST malba

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     @BrodieOnLinux I'm glad that they seem to be contributing back to the project - if they had stuck with coreutils, they might not have seen any need to do so.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 18:49:17 JST 翠星石

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     • Thor A. Hopland
     @hopland @BrodieOnLinux microsoft probably won't even bother making improvements to uutils, as why bother when someone writes your propriety software for you totally gratis? (MIT expat expressly permits sublicensing and therefore permits making the software proprietary).
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 18:51:29 JST 翠星石

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     • Thor A. Hopland
     @hopland @BrodieOnLinux "open source" is corpo speak.
     
     It was specifically designed to lick the boots of corpo's, to prevent discussions of freedom, to never point out that proprietary software is morally wrong - just so corpo's wouldn't feel uncomfortable and would be happy to fund efficient development...of software that turns out to be proprietary.
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     Thor A. Hopland (hopland@snabelen.no)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 18:51:30 JST Thor A. Hopland

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     @BrodieOnLinux pretty much.

     "#Microsoft 🤎 #OpenSource" is basically corpo speak for "Microsoft 🤎 to exploit the hell out of Open Source".

     They went from giving hidden costs and predatory contracts to their clients, to offsetting their costs with open source...

     ...like #Apple! Wheeeeeee I hate corpos.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 19:57:35 JST 翠星石

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     • Thor A. Hopland
     @hopland >it was a joke... see the history of Minix.
     It seems that Intel didn't actually bother to work on MINIX themselves (they asked the guy who wrote it if he could cut down the memory usage for them and he did it totally gratis) and instead wrote a few programs that ran with MINIX and made everything totally proprietary.
     
     >that was invented by academians who wanted to get away from big corporations.
     That is not true.
     
     It was coined by a few non-academics who didn't like that dastardly freedom and wanted funding for efficient development from corpos; http://catb.org/~esr/open-source.html
     
     As you can see, the very reason for its existence is to attack free software, as; "the term makes a lot of corporate types nervous" and is only about the ideals of functionally better software, faster (technical excellence); "we can make serious gains in the mainstream business world without compromising our ideals and commitment to technical excellence"
     
     His culture is clearly totally different to the free software culture, and he wanted (and still wants) to eliminate that culture; `We suggest that everywhere we as a culture have previously talked about "free software", the label should be changed to "open source".`.
     
     The term was previously used (and still is used) to refer to journalism using whatever publicly available sources are available, which of course causes fractal confusion.
     
     
     In fact, free software was coined by an academic that found what big corporate were doing was unacceptable and fought against it (Richard Stallman).
     
     Software used to be freely available and if you had the source code, you had freedom (as software did not fall under copyright), but corporate ruined that freedom (first by refusing to provide the source code unless you signed an NDA, agreeing to betray humanity by not sharing, then by refusing to provide the source code at all, then by making software fall under copyright, meaning to have freedom, just the source code was no longer enough - you needed a free license).
     
     >GPL ≠ MIT ≠ BSD ≠ CC.
     - There is the GPLv1, GPLv2 & GPLv3 (and Lesser and Affero licenses).
     - MIT released many licenses, MIT expat is only one of them.
     - There is no "BSD license", there is the 4-clause, 3-clause, 2-clause, 1-clause & 0-clause.
     - Creative Commons released many licenses (including disgraceful proprietary ones); i.e. CC BY-SA 4.0, CC0, CC BY 4.0
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     Thor A. Hopland (hopland@snabelen.no)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 19:57:37 JST Thor A. Hopland

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     @Suiseiseki no, it's an umbrella term that doesn't necessarily encompass free or libre software that was invented by academians who wanted to get away from big corporations.

     See Cambridge in the UK circa 1970s.

     But "source available"? Now that's corpo speak.

     But yeah, GPL ≠ MIT ≠ BSD ≠ CC.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 21:42:43 JST 翠星石

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     • Thor A. Hopland
     @hopland >made a big letter complaining about Intel not contributing back after the fact.
     I've read the letter and in a typical weak licensing fashion, it seems he was only complaining that nobody at intel sent him an email informing him that his software was now taking the freedom of billions of users (it appears he was actually happy that so much freedom was taken, as his OS was the most popular).
     
     Weak licensors and their fetish for popularity at all costs have been a disaster for the human race.
     
     >You could have said that instead of spewing a giant wall of text that I nor anyone else will read.
     The problem is that everyone refuses to believes my word, unless I start whipping out evidence and going through it in a big wall of text.
     
     The first 2 sentences summarized the claim quite well and those with doubts can keep reading.
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     Thor A. Hopland (hopland@snabelen.no)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 21:42:44 JST Thor A. Hopland

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     • 翠星石

     @Suiseiseki no, it's the fact that he afterwards made a big letter complaining about Intel not contributing back after the fact.

     In regards to open source, you are right - as it was coined in Palo Alto via Netscape - so kudos.

     You could have said that instead of spewing a giant wall of text that I nor anyone else will read.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 21:44:20 JST 翠星石

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     • Thor A. Hopland
     @hopland I have never claimed to be a know it all.
     
     My communication skills are fine - I don't use insulting language first and people are informed very well.
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     Thor A. Hopland (hopland@snabelen.no)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 21:44:22 JST Thor A. Hopland

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     @Suiseiseki but thanks. You've proven how dumb I myself have been lately with a similar approach.

     You make it clear that bial from a besserwisser will rub people the wrong way and actually not convey anything, so it's more masturbatory than anything.

     I shall endeavour to improve my communication skills.

     I hope you do too.