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   kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 21:17:12 JST kaia
   German suffers from a netherlandification where younger Germans lose their native vocabulary and replace it with English words, e.g. instead of saying "Mann", they say "Dude", instead of "betrügen" they use "cheaten".
   
   Especially when discussing technical topics, using the German vocabulary is seen as uneducated, cringe or unprofessional.
   
   It's my impression that young people especially have an extremely limited vocabulary, half consisting of more-or-less incorrect English loanwords replacing a perfectly fine German one.
   
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     milkposter (themilkman@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 21:18:48 JST milkposter

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     @kaia super guilty of this tbh
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     Iska (iska@catposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 21:18:51 JST Iska

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     @kaia@brotka.st total german death is coming :praycat:

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     Trash Panda (raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 21:23:19 JST Trash Panda

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     Kaia,you are young yourself.

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     Andy (pixel@desu.social)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 21:23:22 JST Andy

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     @kaia some people started with it, and people that don't know the actual word in German beforehand just pick that up as their vocabulary for that.

     The age of the internet and the effects of younger and younger people being exposed to it.

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 21:25:32 JST Phantasm

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     @kaia In Czechia this has been happening for more than a decade. It's come to the point where 20 year olds can barely understand what high schoolers are talking about. It wouldn't surprise me if a third of their vocab is bastardized English words.
     
     Thanks for reading my short ventpost.
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     bartholin (bartholin@fops.cloud)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 21:26:01 JST bartholin

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     @kaia Dutch is a joke language, German is a close contender
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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 21:27:00 JST kaia

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     • bartholin
     @bartholin Ich bin die Suppe!
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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 21:29:25 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     • bartholin
     @bartholin @kaia "dutch" is literally bastardization of "deutsch"
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     Qadse Sanur Qut ibn Quaadibz :catsader: (nerthos@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 21:34:44 JST Qadse Sanur Qut ibn Quaadibz :catsader:

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     @kaia The result of 80 years of colonization. Without a strong pride in one's own culture, people who want to seem "modern" or "cultured" will start loaning from other cultures seen as more refined.
     
     It happened a lot of times in history, like with english speakers using French to sound "fancy"
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     bartholin (bartholin@fops.cloud)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 21:34:54 JST bartholin

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     @RedTechEngineer @kaia some Germans even claim they are hamburgers
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     RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 21:34:55 JST RedTechEngineer

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     • bartholin
     @kaia @bartholin ich bin ein berliner
     
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     Qadse Sanur Qut ibn Quaadibz :catsader: (nerthos@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 23:52:12 JST Qadse Sanur Qut ibn Quaadibz :catsader:

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     • Cheetah Meld
     @pingviini @kaia This narrative operates on the assumptions that:
     1) the peoples of Europe would organically unite into a single mixed culture with a single language, which is contrary to what they have done over the last 5000 years whenever left to their own devices, even within the same country (Germany required an authoritarian push by the federal government to unify dialects, France was the same)
     2) the idea that feudal fiefdoms and their rulers were outsider factors, and not born out of the same peoples they ruled, which happened a few times, but not in most cases. Especially in the Germanic regions, feudal lords and kings were often elected, directly by the population until well into the middle ages, and by elector counts and dukes in the late period.
     
     The political and cultural divisions of the continent are the very opposite of artificial, it's the natural progression of humanity. The logistics to unify continent-scale populations are impossible without complicated political structures and statecraft, which do not happen in a "natural" environment (where people organize at the clan/town level, because that's the amount of people they can have personal connections with)
     
     The absorption of loanwords and conversion of their phonetics and writing to naturalize them as part of the language is normal and natural, but generally happens to obtain words for concepts that aren't already present in the main language (See: robot, as a common example), not to replace existing, functional words.
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     Cheetah Meld (pingviini@pleroma.shunderdo.me)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 23:52:14 JST Cheetah Meld

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     • Qadse Sanur Qut ibn Quaadibz :catsader:
     @nerthos @kaia You could just as well construct an opposite narrative where, if left to their own devices, the peoples of Europe will organically incorporate loanwords and phrasing from neighboring countries and cultures, slowly working to overcome the artificial language and political divisions of the continent (autocratically upheld for centuries first by feudal fiefdoms and then by their successors, the modern nation states) and any "purification" efforts are almost always chauvinist theater imposed by political elites.
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 23:53:07 JST Johnny Peligro

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     @kaia the world is healing from having to have the german language around
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 23:54:36 JST Johnny Peligro

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     • Qadse Sanur Qut ibn Quaadibz :catsader:
     @nerthos @kaia funnily enough, i like speaking english, but i when speak spanish, i prefer to use the terms in spanish of what people would traditionally use english terms for
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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Saturday, 08-Mar-2025 23:55:37 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @kaia language has always been evolving
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 00:01:18 JST Johnny Peligro

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     @nerthos @kaia in general i believe in respecting the language I'm speaking, even if its a language I don't necessarily like to speak
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     Antti Metsänkylä (antmetsa@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 00:12:43 JST Antti Metsänkylä

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     @kaia Yeah, I've noticed. Instead of 'Hemd' they say 'Shirt', instead of 'Karte' they say 'Ticket'... And so on. Instead of 'Straßenbahn' 'Tram'. Of course 'Deal' instead of 'Vertrag' or 'Kontrakt'. So sad. 😢

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     Cheetah Meld (pingviini@pleroma.shunderdo.me)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 00:13:09 JST Cheetah Meld

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     • bartholin

     @kaia @bartholin

     Frighteningly plausible Nederlands Duolingo:

     [Het] [is] [een] [soep]

     [en] [groente] [###] [de] [##] [in] [alsjeblieft] [###] [gelopen] [####] [geen]

     [!\/!] The correct answer is:
     [!/\!] Het is in de soep gelopen.

     Meaning: It has gone wrong.

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     :blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 00:19:45 JST :blobcatflower:

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     • Antti Metsänkylä
     @antmetsa @kaia doing god's work on earth: erasing this hideous language :kannapray1::kannapray2::kannapray3:
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     Qadse Sanur Qut ibn Quaadibz :catsader: (nerthos@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 00:33:44 JST Qadse Sanur Qut ibn Quaadibz :catsader:

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     • Johnny Peligro
     @mischievoustomato @kaia Same, I'll use loanwords in a technical context when they're more accurate or understandable (like when talking computing at work) but otherwise it's nice to stick to one language at a time.
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 00:34:00 JST Johnny Peligro

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     @nerthos @kaia yeah i agree, but i only use loanwords when there's no other word for a thing
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     T I Z E N :verified_blobcat: (tizen@mk.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 00:37:46 JST T I Z E N :verified_blobcat:

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     @kaia@brotka.st
     It's the big Company speak (and maby IT-Bubble)FYI. Denken Sie bitte an Ihren Emergency-Breaking Point, den wir im letzten digital-Meeting besprochen haben, ebenfalls müssten wir für das nächste Authority Meet-up den Content sleek gestalten sodas es in die Tab-Time Organisation Order passt.

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     T I Z E N :verified_blobcat: (tizen@mk.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 00:48:09 JST T I Z E N :verified_blobcat:

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     • Antti Metsänkylä

     @antmetsa@mastodon.social @kaia@brotka.st
     Ich werde mir nun einen elektronischen Zugfahrterlaubnisschein über mein Mobiles Telefon gredenzen und damit die zweifache Vertragsvereinbarung eingehen, aufdass der Schienenbetreiber die Definition von Pünklichkeit auf's neue Veruntreut.

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     Qadse Sanur Qut ibn Quaadibz :catsader: (nerthos@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 01:22:38 JST Qadse Sanur Qut ibn Quaadibz :catsader:

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     @pingviini @kaia
     >ahistoric nonsense
     
     Ah, so you're simply a revisionist and a collectivist
     
     That's fine, the poison that your kind spews is not something I'll ever drink, and your dreams of destroying our world and our cultures will never happen. You had the best shot at it you'd ever have after WWII, and even that didn't work. You'll never give up because evil is pathological, but it's pleasant to know that all your efforts will be in vain. Your accursed blood can never triumph over real humans.
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     Cheetah Meld (pingviini@pleroma.shunderdo.me)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 01:22:40 JST Cheetah Meld

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     @nerthos @kaia
     
     > [ahistoric nonsense]
     
     That's some impressively idiotic drivel IMHO, but my point was that you literally cannot know or find a definite or even approximate cause-and-effect for these things.
     
     Of course anybody is free to make up a story to try and make sense of it all and/or use as a lore repository for a political project, but nobody should ever actually believe in any of that bullshit, especially not the bullshit of one's own creation.
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     Nightingale (nightingale@mastodon.vhack.eu)'s status on Sunday, 09-Mar-2025 20:25:52 JST Nightingale

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     @kaia
     With some of my friends it's like they're trying to replace as many words as possible with loanwords to sound more hip and international. Explicitly saying that it feels backwards and problematic not to use loanwords

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