@nerthos @kaia

> [ahistoric nonsense]

That's some impressively idiotic drivel IMHO, but my point was that you literally cannot know or find a definite or even approximate cause-and-effect for these things.

Of course anybody is free to make up a story to try and make sense of it all and/or use as a lore repository for a political project, but nobody should ever actually believe in any of that bullshit, especially not the bullshit of one's own creation.