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   Mikoto BSD (mikoto@akko.wtf)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 02:35:24 JST Mikoto BSD

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   @quad @Chloe @izzy I really never understood why phones weren't just exposed as usb mass storage devices to computers, being able to access them like a dumb flash drive would be so nice
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 06:07:04 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @wolf480pl @mikoto @quad @Chloe @izzy Drivers?
     SailfishOS got sshfs builtin for years, no need for drivers for this. And USB networking is a thing.
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 06:07:05 JST Wolf480pl

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     @mikoto @quad @Chloe @izzy
     IMO phones should've went for sth like FTP (or unencrypted SFTP) over USB and gotten drivers for that upstreamed into OSes, but that ship has sailed...

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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 06:07:06 JST Wolf480pl

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     @mikoto @quad @Chloe @izzy
     I think NFS has a more cooperative client. IIRC it has some form of locking.

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     Mikoto BSD (mikoto@akko.wtf)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 06:07:07 JST Mikoto BSD

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     @wolf480pl @quad @Chloe @izzy now I wonder how protocols like NFS handle these sort of things, or do they just simply not do that?
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     Mikoto BSD (mikoto@akko.wtf)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 06:07:07 JST Mikoto BSD

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     @wolf480pl @Chloe @izzy @quad now I think of it this is basally turning into a glorified NFS reimplementaion
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 06:07:08 JST Wolf480pl

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     @mikoto @quad @Chloe @izzy
     or maybe not, maybe commit after every modification - propagation from client to server shouldn't be a big issue...

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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 06:07:09 JST Wolf480pl

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     @mikoto @quad @Chloe @izzy
     and commit on unplug

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     Mikoto BSD (mikoto@akko.wtf)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 06:07:10 JST Mikoto BSD

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     @wolf480pl @quad @Chloe @izzy so essentially make it act like a database or COW filesystem?
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 06:07:10 JST Wolf480pl

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     @mikoto @quad @Chloe @izzy yeah...

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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 06:07:11 JST Wolf480pl

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     @mikoto @quad @Chloe @izzy
     I'm afraid the client's cache may get in the way... but maybe you could do some sort of snapshot or MVCC, where once the client read some file or directory, any future modification on the server won't be visible to that client?

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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 06:07:12 JST Wolf480pl

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     @mikoto @quad @Chloe @izzy
     unless you could somehow present to the host a simulated FAT that is synthesized on-the-fly from the files on your mounted filesystem 🤔

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     Mikoto BSD (mikoto@akko.wtf)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 06:07:12 JST Mikoto BSD

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     @wolf480pl @quad @Chloe @izzy now I am getting the crazy idea of making a FAT-compatible virtual filesystem
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 06:07:13 JST Wolf480pl

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     @mikoto @quad @Chloe @izzy
     Because USB mass storage exposes a block device, and it's quite difficult to have a shared block device with a filesystem that is being simultaneously mounted and being written to by two OSes.

     It's possible - GFS2, and OCFS2 are two examples that come to my mind - but I haven't heard of anyone doing that with FAT, let alone an unmodified implementation of FAT that comes with most operating systems

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 06:14:14 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @wolf480pl @quad @mikoto @Chloe @izzy SFTP just works in stuff like FileZilla, Unison, …
     Sure it's something they have to install but that's true of everything on Windows anyway.
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     Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 06:14:15 JST Wolf480pl

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     @lanodan @quad @mikoto @Chloe @izzy
     no I mean for normies with a win10