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   Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 18:49:46 JST Christina Sørensen
   He is your problematic fave bestie, what does he even do at this point beside from making women leave FSF and undermine libre software?
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 18:49:45 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     are you by any chance interested in hearing/reading a different take, more in line with tolerance, diversity, and respect for others rather than hatred and corporate propaganda?
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 19:29:09 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     I really don't. do you want to know why?
     (well, I don't have a say on what you can or cannot respect, but I hope you get what I mean ;-)
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     Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 19:29:10 JST Christina Sørensen

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     • Alexandre Oliva
     @lxo I get there is has been plenty of corporate interference, but stallman has driven away women from the FSF for decades regardless, and his reelection was not done in a way that I can respect, these points you must agree with at least?
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:08:21 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     impossible, it wasn't. Linux was relicensed before (in 1992), it could have been again under the same reasoning, and it has even adopted some of the GPLv3 provisions not long ago.
     but the Linux objection to GPLv3 was really on defending users from digital locks that render even the free portions of Linux proprietary. Linux developers were adamant that such practices should be allowed, and opposed GPLv3 on these grounds. which is weird given that even GPLv2 can be understood as not allowing this user-hostile practice. but then, Linux has never been about user freedom, as the blobs it carries to this day show.
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     Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:08:22 JST Christina Sørensen

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     • Alexandre Oliva
     @lxo
     > tolerance, diversity, and respect for others rather than hatred and corporate propaganda
     Those are nice platitudes, but regardless of corporate propaganda, we need to be real about RMS:
     
     1. He drives away women from FSF, has done so for a long time
     2. He was put back in charge with no vote
     3. The FSF has actually seeked to use corporate progapanda by hiring “consultants” from oustide the FSF to “look into the election process”, absolute corpo speak and not any meaningful change
     4. His view on pedophilia should not be aired while head of the FSF
     5. He is nothing more than a puppet head at this point
     6. He seems to complain a lot and understand a little, e.g. on the emacs mailing list
     7. The FSF managed to make Linus hostile to them because of their two-faced ways, that lost us a Linux kernel under GPLv3, never forget
     8. Stallman has NEVER showed the character and integrity to own up to any accusations against him, he always strawmans his critics and self victimizes
     9. The mindless defense of Stallman is by a group of members at the FSF that by and large are people that talk a lot and do very little
     
     So to me, what's the loss? What's there to win trying to defend or help an organization so inherently flawed and broken. Heck, at this point I'd be willing to believe that Microsoft has infiltrated the FSF just from how bad things have gotten. The Free Software Foundation Europe is a great alternative, a modern and serious organization that seem to produce great work.
     
     The FSF seems like tech debt, like legacy code we still haven't refactored.
     
     Perhaps it's time for something else? The OSI is compromised, the software freedom conservancy is compromised, the FSF is functionally compromised.
     
     I feel like a lot of you just got old and lazy, I don't wanna point the next generation in the direction of rot and decay.
     
     I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, I put a lot forth here, and Brandolinis law gives you a lot to work with in good faith, please don't reduce my whole criticism to “corporate propaganda” again that is very disrespectful.
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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:08:22 JST :suya:

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     • Alexandre Oliva
     @cafkafk @lxo
     
     >7. The FSF managed to make Linus hostile to them because of their two-faced ways, that lost us a Linux kernel under GPLv3, never forget
     
     Linux kernel under GPLv3 was never possible. This would require that everyone who has ever committed code to the kernel agrees to it, which is so complicated logistically and bureaucratically, nobody will ever do this.
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     Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:09:44 JST Christina Sørensen

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     • 翠星石
     @Suiseiseki Linux under GPLv3 would have been great, heck, a Linus that didn't detest the FSF would have been great
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:09:45 JST 翠星石

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     @cafkafk The Hurd was no longer a pressing need once Linux was available under a free license and so development was redirected in working with integrating Linux into GNU.
     
     After a few years, Linux was made proprietary software again, but GNU Linux-libre fixed that problem.
     
     GNU/Hurd now works just fine and you can fire up emacs no problem, so I have no idea what you mean by "miss the mark".
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     Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:09:46 JST Christina Sørensen

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     @newt @lxo I don't care if it's a linus problem, the linux kernel is a FSF problem whether or not you wanna admit it. When Hurd can't get shipped the kernel is THE flagship FSF product that they didn't even make, such a shame that they manage to miss the mark on this constantly
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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:09:47 JST :suya:

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     • Alexandre Oliva
     @cafkafk @lxo this is a Linus problem, not a RMS problem. Mind you, Linus considers tivoisation a valid practice, so no wonder he doesn’t like GPLv3.
     
     Also, huge parts of the Linux kernel aren’t even under GPL at all. The DRM subsystem is almost entirely under MIT license.
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     Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:09:48 JST Christina Sørensen

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     @newt @lxo seems like the most petty and trivial point, even if that was the case linus was not turned away by that, he was turned away by his feelings that the FSF was lying to him
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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:09:49 JST :suya:

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     • Alexandre Oliva
     @cafkafk @lxo no, it couldn’t have. Rust contributors sign CLA. Linux contributors don’t.
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     Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:09:50 JST Christina Sørensen

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     @newt @lxo it could have
     
     https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/rust-dev/2012-November/002664.html
     
     it's not abnormal, and Linus squarely put the blame to his distrust of FSF, which I think is valid
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:20:21 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     cool, will do.
     weird, for me, your response doesn't appear in the thread where I asked whether you wanted me to.
     I'll follow up there momentarily.
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     Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:20:22 JST Christina Sørensen

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     • Alexandre Oliva
     @lxo If you can amend my concerns I'm actually listening
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:48:11 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     the entire St Ignucius speech is a series of jokes on various religions, which is indeed risky business. the one at hand was playing with the christian cult of Mary's virginity. whatever sexism is found in there is drawn from that faith, rather than from richard, who actually criticizes it and reverses it in the joke.
     now, someone gave it a maligned interpretation, blew it out of proportion, and tried to paint him as sexist over that. he really is the victim there.
     now, joking with religion is risky business, so some might argue he deserved it. but no, the issue was not about religion, it was about attributing to him sexism that isn't there.
     now, though Mary's being a woman wasn't essential for the joke, it loses some of the humor and much of the punch of the criticism to the cult of women's virginity (men's virginity is not in the religious radar), so I speculate that this is the reason why he went for female's emacs virginity at first. alas, the misrepresentation and the overreaction demanded him to drop the humor and the criticism.
     as a feminist myself, I find it disappointing that women would stand against a denunciation of religious chauvinism and turn against another feminist. failing to recognize the humorous denunciation and mistaking it for chauvinism reeks of prejudice to me.
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     Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:48:12 JST Christina Sørensen

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     • Jamie J
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     > it’s that he has a really bad habit of thinking about himself first and everybody else never
     The worst part is I think he unironically comes from a good place, but it doesn't excuse his behavior or his lack of willingness to address it...
     
     It's like ffs if he could just admit that maybe saying EMACS users should take womens EMACS virginity or literally anything but NO, he is ALWAYS the victim.
     
     https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-November/msg00010.html
     
     Like how does he keep getting away with it it's literally a grift at this point.
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     Jamie J (slightlyflightyone@mastodon.sergal.org)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:48:13 JST Jamie J

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     @cafkafk yeah, I am familiar with him (and with that take of his in particular as well as the plantsex stuff) :c

     the problem I have with him isn’t that he has never agreed with me on anything

     it’s that he has a really bad habit of thinking about himself first and everybody else never

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     Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:48:14 JST Christina Sørensen

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     • Jamie J
     @slightlyflightyone I mean, to be fair, he does have a lot of good takes, but they're just sadly tainted by his flaws that out weight them easily... he is kind of a midwit actually IMO
     
     https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html
     
     (the APA styleguide specifies they is the preferred option hence meme)
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     Jamie J (slightlyflightyone@mastodon.sergal.org)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 20:48:15 JST Jamie J

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     @cafkafk what an unpleasant human being lol

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 21:12:58 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     you know what really makes women distance themselves from the FSF? making up stories about how dangerous it is there. in human history, women have plenty of reasons to worry about unwanted advances from men, and unfounded rumors are more than enough for women to justifiably avoid placing themselves at risk. self preservation comes first! a woman who doesn't know the rumors are false would have no reason to take the risk.
     
     now, richard is neurodivergent, he can't read emotions from people's faces and body language like I'm told neurotypical people can do. unable to guess whether someone might be interested in going on a date with him, he asks politely. I can imagine that some women might be indignant. how dare he?, after she gave him so many hints that she wasn't interested. the mistake is to assume he got those hints. I and many other neurodivergent people know how that feels. taking offense for someone's asking politely is unfair and, IMHO, intolerant to neurodiversity.
     I guess most people, who live neurotypical lives, can't even imagine how hard it is to not have this sixth sense that enables them to take hints, clues and whatnot. I don't blame them for their ignorance, but I do resent that they attribute to malice or disrespect the lack of this sixth sense. they can have empathy and compassion for a blind person who can't help bumping on them by accident, why not for someone who's a different kind of blind?
     GNU Too repeated this.
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 21:28:28 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     he's genuinely disturbed by singular 'they'. that's probably a symptom of mental rigidity, which is quite common among the neurodivergent. so is hyperfocusing on issues that pique one's interest, and finding and proposing and pursuing solutions for them.
     
     so he cares enough about the issue that he sets out to devise, write and publish a proposal. what's the criticism to be made here? that doing so makes him a horrible person? what would this be but an expression of prejudice and intolerance?
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 21:38:57 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     as for his return to the organization he founded and devoted his life to... I can't imagine what it is that you find objectionable. he left to protect the FSF from a moral panic caused by fake news that maligned him. unfortunately, that move seems to have reinforced the false notion that he'd done something wrong. he didn't. IMHO his leaving was a mistake, failing to dispute the false accusations was another mistake, and returning him to the place he should have never left didn't go far enough in correcting those mistakes.
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     Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 22:19:51 JST Christina Sørensen

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     • Alexandre Oliva
     @lxo > he left to protect the FSF from a moral panic caused by fake news that maligned him.
     just stop, I left the FSF I don't care anymore. Go be correct with the rest of the FOSS bros.
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Sunday, 13-Nov-2022 22:19:51 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     I will stop, but I'll post this first.
     
     you left because of the fake news?
     the reports claimed he defended a pedophile.
     they lied. he didn't.
     you know they lied, don't you?
     you know why they lied, don't you?
     I'd like to believe you care about injustice.
     do you not mind being part of inflicting injustice?
     disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. see <https://stallmansupport.org>
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-2022 08:06:13 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     as for his return to the organization he founded and devoted his life to... I can't imagine what it is that you find objectionable. he left to protect the FSF from a moral panic caused by fake news that maligned him. unfortunately, that move seems to have reinforced the false notion that he'd done something wrong. he didn't. IMHO his leaving was a mistake, failing to dispute the false accusations was another mistake, and returning him to the place he should have never left didn't go far enough in correcting those mistakes.
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-2022 08:08:03 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     he's genuinely disturbed by singular 'they'. that's probably a symptom of mental rigidity, which is quite common among the neurodivergent. so is hyperfocusing on issues that pique one's interest, and finding and proposing and pursuing solutions for them.
     
     so he cares enough about the issue that he sets out to devise, write and publish a proposal. what's the criticism to be made here? that doing so makes him a horrible person? what would this be but an expression of prejudice and intolerance?
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-2022 08:08:32 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     you know what really makes women distance themselves from the FSF? making up stories about how dangerous it is there. in human history, women have plenty of reasons to worry about unwanted advances from men, and unfounded rumors are more than enough for women to justifiably avoid placing themselves at risk. self preservation comes first! a woman who doesn't know the rumors are false would have no reason to take the risk.
     
     now, richard is neurodivergent, he can't read emotions from people's faces and body language like I'm told neurotypical people can do. unable to guess whether someone might be interested in going on a date with him, he asks politely. I can imagine that some women might be indignant. how dare he?, after she gave him so many hints that she wasn't interested. the mistake is to assume he got those hints. I and many other neurodivergent people know how that feels. taking offense for someone's asking politely is unfair and, IMHO, intolerant to neurodiversity.
     I guess most people, who live neurotypical lives, can't even imagine how hard it is to not have this sixth sense that enables them to take hints, clues and whatnot. I don't blame them for their ignorance, but I do resent that they attribute to malice or disrespect the lack of this sixth sense. they can have empathy and compassion for a blind person who can't help bumping on them by accident, why not for someone who's a different kind of blind?
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-2022 08:12:39 JST GNU Too

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     @cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com what is wrong with this take?
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-2022 08:13:09 JST GNU Too

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     @cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com what is wrong with this take?
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-2022 19:51:33 JST GNU Too

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     @cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com what is wrong with this take?
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-2022 19:52:04 JST GNU Too

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     @cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com what is wrong with this take?
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Saturday, 19-Nov-2022 20:07:41 JST GNU Too

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     @cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com what is wrong with this take?
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 07:00:25 JST GNU Too

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     @cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com what is wrong with this take?
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 15:10:59 JST GNU Too

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     @cafkafk what is wrong with this take?
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     Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 18:25:25 JST Christina Sørensen

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     • GNU Too
     @gnu2 I think it misses the point about what orgmode is and to what extend those features could be first class subsystems
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     Christina Sørensen (cafkafk@pleroma.cafkafk.com)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Nov-2022 18:26:00 JST Christina Sørensen

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     @gnu2 I feel like what he says makes sense as a general good blanket statement, but in the actual situation it's a bad decision