@lxo
> tolerance, diversity, and respect for others rather than hatred and corporate propaganda
Those are nice platitudes, but regardless of corporate propaganda, we need to be real about RMS:

1. He drives away women from FSF, has done so for a long time
2. He was put back in charge with no vote
3. The FSF has actually seeked to use corporate progapanda by hiring “consultants” from oustide the FSF to “look into the election process”, absolute corpo speak and not any meaningful change
4. His view on pedophilia should not be aired while head of the FSF
5. He is nothing more than a puppet head at this point
6. He seems to complain a lot and understand a little, e.g. on the emacs mailing list
7. The FSF managed to make Linus hostile to them because of their two-faced ways, that lost us a Linux kernel under GPLv3, never forget
8. Stallman has NEVER showed the character and integrity to own up to any accusations against him, he always strawmans his critics and self victimizes
9. The mindless defense of Stallman is by a group of members at the FSF that by and large are people that talk a lot and do very little

So to me, what's the loss? What's there to win trying to defend or help an organization so inherently flawed and broken. Heck, at this point I'd be willing to believe that Microsoft has infiltrated the FSF just from how bad things have gotten. The Free Software Foundation Europe is a great alternative, a modern and serious organization that seem to produce great work.

The FSF seems like tech debt, like legacy code we still haven't refactored.

Perhaps it's time for something else? The OSI is compromised, the software freedom conservancy is compromised, the FSF is functionally compromised.

I feel like a lot of you just got old and lazy, I don't wanna point the next generation in the direction of rot and decay.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, I put a lot forth here, and Brandolinis law gives you a lot to work with in good faith, please don't reduce my whole criticism to “corporate propaganda” again that is very disrespectful.