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   Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:16:22 JST Pissed Hippo
   Lennart Poettering was Donald Trump. Something in Linux needed to be done and people developing Linux decided that anything was better than nothing and chose the super opinionated guy.
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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:16:20 JST Pissed Hippo

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     @Suiseiseki there are probably dozens of linux-only things it does.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:16:22 JST 翠星石

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     @sun systemd is not something that is developed "in Linux" (Linux developers have rejected patches that do things like add dbus to Linux for example) - systemd is developed on GNU, although it uses certain Linux-only features like cgroups, meaning it only runs on GNU/Linux.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:17:57 JST 翠星石

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     @sun Yes - although listing them all out rather than just naming one example would be a waste of time.
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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:18:51 JST Pissed Hippo

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     @Suiseiseki it's linux only and poettering has said so.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:20:09 JST 翠星石

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     @sun Ah yes - of course he said it's "Linux only", rather than state the truth that it's GNU/Linux only.
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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:20:17 JST Pissed Hippo

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     @Suiseiseki he was talking about linux kernel specifically
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:27:37 JST 翠星石

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     @sun Linux is only a kernel, so why would you repeat yourself by writing; kernel kernel and imply that Linux is more than a kernel?
     
     systemd doesn't need just Linux to work - it needs GNU gettext, GNU coreutils and GNU readline, GNUperf and much more GNU (some GNU is optional, like libgcrypt and libidn2 but you lose functionality without it).
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:29:51 JST 翠星石

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     @goo @sun BusyBox is an inferior clone of GNU under a GNU license that cannot be compiled without GNU software.
     
     systemd has harddeps on gettext, coreutils and gperf and more, thus you have installed GNU without realizing it to make GNU/BusyBox/systemd/Linux or systemd/Linux.
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     Ayam Geprek (goo@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:29:52 JST Ayam Geprek

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     @Suiseiseki @sun i got it to work on my busybox/linux machine (gnu free)
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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:30:23 JST Pissed Hippo

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     @apropos idk bernie sanders or smt
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:30:24 JST of nothing

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     @sun what's Theo DeRaadt then? Mecha-Trump?
     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: repeated this.
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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:31:15 JST Pissed Hippo

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     • Ayam Geprek
     @Suiseiseki @goo it uses gnu but only targets linux. I can install gnu utils on an IBM AIX box but it won't run SystemD
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:41:30 JST 翠星石

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     • Ayam Geprek
     @sun @goo It targets GNU and Linux.
     
     GNU is not merely a set of utils, although there are some util packages.
     
     I believe you can install GNU/Linux and systemd on a computer that previously ran IBM AIX.
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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:44:32 JST Pissed Hippo

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     @Suiseiseki @goo I guess I would argue that there really is no GNU "OS" without a GNU kernel. HURD is still in its infancy
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     H. Faust (hfaust@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:47:40 JST H. Faust

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     @sun @Suiseiseki @goo Just use an X60 https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2024/hurd-on-thinkpad/
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 01:49:21 JST 翠星石

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     • Ayam Geprek
     @sun @goo GNU has multiple kernels and multiple OS's.
     
     Hurd is not an infant, although more features would be convenient.
     
     There's the church of Emacs OS, the GNU GRUB OS, GNU Hurd, GNU Linux-libre and a number of other kernels that I don't remember the GNU package name of at the moment.
     
     An operating system is a system of software that allows you to operate a computer and GNU indeed provides that; https://www.gnu.org/software/
     
     Meanwhile if you tried to install just Linux, it'll just admit that it is not an OS and shut down; https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/init/main.c#n1513
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 02:01:53 JST 翠星石

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     @adiz @goo @sun How is it wild? The only people developing it are a handful of people hacking on it for fun, as GNU Linux-libre does work despite its limitations, meaning GNU developers work on other GNU packages; https://www.gnu.org/software/
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     👺防空識別區👹 (adiz@mtl.jinxian.casa)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Feb-2025 02:01:55 JST 👺防空識別區👹

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     @sun Kinda wild how HURD is still undeveloped. @Suiseiseki @goo