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@Omega_Variant @Ash_Kvetchum hear me out. Jesus was crucified 2000 years before this.
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant >le wormwood
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant I don't understand Jesuits. Sometimes cool, sometimes evil. A cradle Catholic told me they have historically been the "operator" types of the Church, which I guess makes sense given their involvement in so many things.
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Pick a lane.
>This rise of futurism is generally associated with a Jesuit priest named Francisco Ribera (1537–1591
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant ? I don't follow. I've read the theory about the Jesuits inventing dispensationalism to discredit Protestants, but that seems retarded.
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You can't tell me I'm off base because I don't suck off the church fathers, and then ascribe to a position invented by a Jesuit in the 1500s specifically because people were rightfully associating the catholic church with the beast of revelation 13
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The one that invented preterism was alcazar iirc.
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@Omega_Variant @Ash_Kvetchum @Xenophon Oh preterism. I guess partial preterism doesn't bug me too much because I read it as "what was and is and is to come". I used to obsess over prophecy and realized I was wasting my time and efforts on it. Not that others can't enjoy studying it, but it only caused distraction for me.
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant If a premillennialist viewpoint is true, wouldn't we be caught off guard? It would seem too convenient for an asteroid we expect to possibly be on target to line up timing wise.
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Not really. The reformers laid accusations of the papacy being the man of perdition (correctly so) so all eyes were on the RCC to respond. People were getting pissed and it was affecting the influence of the church, especially as the reformation grew in strength. They HAD to come up with something(s) to shift the focus off the papacy.
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@Omega_Variant @Ash_Kvetchum @Xenophon Amillennialism and historic premillennialism both go back very far, do they not? I do not see why one belief or the other is inherently true or requires response from the other.
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I mean at this point in history I could be considered a "preterist" but historicist would be more accurate. The preterist label only fits because most of prophecy has been fulfilled at this point. However at the time of Alcazar it had not. His point was to push -all- of revelation into the past and been fulfilled other than the second coming more or less.
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@Omega_Variant @Ash_Kvetchum @Xenophon postmillennialism then?
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It makes me physically angry whem you say millennialism
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@Xenophon @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant postmillenialismist'd
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@reallyangry @Ash_Kvetchum @Omega_Variant @Xenophon @BowsacNoodle It seems to me the well of "what does that prophecy actually mean?" has been poisoned by endless speculation, some of it malicious, to the point where only those who truly hear from God (and not just schizophrenically tell themselves they do) can understand. And if they tell anyone else, it's just another drop in the bucket of "I think it means this..."
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@BowsacNoodle @Omega_Variant @Ash_Kvetchum @Xenophon i dunno God gave us these prophecies didn't he? but seemingly only gave some hte spark to interpret them sometimes it seems.
don't ask me, i just believe in Jesus.
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