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   Ian Betteridge (ianb@mastodon.well.com)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 23:40:33 JST Ian Betteridge

   It’s really hard to comprehend this level of idiocy.

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     Warner Crocker (warnercrocker@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 23:40:32 JST Warner Crocker

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     @ianb I'm finding it less and less hard to comprehend it, the more pervasive it becomes. The classic computer came Lemmings come to mind.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 03:47:09 JST Aral Balkan

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     @ianb * greed

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     Quinn Norton (quinn@social.circl.lu)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 10:02:03 JST Quinn Norton

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     @ianb you don't need a degree in economics. You barely need a YouTube channel. The economy would utterly collapse. Money supply, money velocity, it would be worse than '29

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     Quinn Norton (quinn@social.circl.lu)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 10:07:59 JST Quinn Norton

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     @ianb i just... imagine being that rich, that married to money, and not have a macro 101 understanding of deflation.

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 18:37:28 JST Charlie Stross

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     • Quinn Norton

     @quinn @ianb It's like marca has never heard of deflation, or of the need for demand to kinda-sorta balance supply in the market, or for (hint) consumers to be able to pay for goods, or even the possibility of starving to death surrounded by plenty in the absence of liquidity …

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     Ian Betteridge (ianb@mastodon.well.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 20:12:00 JST Ian Betteridge

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     • Charlie Stross
     • Quinn Norton

     @cstross @quinn By complete coincidence yesterday I came across the interview which David Hudson did with Louis Rosetto, and it’s very easy to see where the ideology of Andreessen et al came from. Here's part two, when LR is really going off the leash about politics:

     https://bold.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9612/msg00031.html

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     Complexity of systems (addressforbots@social.apcn.nz)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 20:48:29 JST Complexity of systems

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     • Charlie Stross
     • Quinn Norton

     @cstross @quinn @ianb actually capitalism in the absence of constraint basically always devolves into feudalism because in the absence of an existing government one will eventually form even if it refuses to call itself one

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     Complexity of systems (addressforbots@social.apcn.nz)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 20:48:30 JST Complexity of systems

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     • Charlie Stross
     • Quinn Norton

     @cstross @quinn @ianb starving to death surrounded by plenty pretty much sounds like the general end state of capitalism in absence of constraint

     anban repeated this.
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     Jonathan Schofield (urlyman@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 21:03:56 JST Jonathan Schofield

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     @ianb the one supports the other.

     As to where effectiveness lies, the Just Stop Oil approach is a kind of “those guys are fucking stupid” strategy and overwhelmingly, because of the asymmetries, the societal response is “*you* guys are fucking stupid”.

     Which I think leaves us here https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/113889391969519396

     @NatureMC @TimnitGebru @emilymbender

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     Ian Betteridge (ianb@mastodon.well.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 21:03:56 JST Ian Betteridge

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     • Jonathan Schofield

     @urlyman Just to put on the record that I absolutely love this: “But in highly stratified (unequal) societies the sense of what is possible for us to do, and what is sustainable for us to keep doing, is confoundingly diverse. “

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     Ian Betteridge (ianb@mastodon.well.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 21:03:57 JST Ian Betteridge

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     • Prof. Emily M. Bender(she/her)

     @NatureMC @timnitGebru @emilymbender So here's the thing. I agree (and I love that analysis, and both Timnit and Emily's work). But I think trying to analyse and argue about the seriousness of their ideology is much less effective in today's world than simply saying “no really, those guys are fucking stupid". They would much rather we engage with their ideas seriously than simply mock them.

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     Petra van Cronenburg (naturemc@mastodon.online)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 21:03:58 JST Petra van Cronenburg

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     @ianb The danger behind his way of talking: "In this particular philosophy, “growth” and “technology” have magical problem-solving capabilities, and if we pursue them relentlessly, we will eliminate the need to ask any deeper questions."
     More about his fascist ideology of #Accelerationism / #TESCREAL: https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2023/10/techno-optimism-is-not-something-you-should-believe-in

     It's not "idiocy", it's ice-cold inhumane purpose, intention, and propaganda.
     I recommend @timnitGebru and @emilymbender for more infos about these ideologies.

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     Ian Betteridge (ianb@mastodon.well.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 22:17:15 JST Ian Betteridge

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     • Petra van Cronenburg

     @NatureMC Blimey, now I really want to know more about your work!

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     Petra van Cronenburg (naturemc@mastodon.online)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 22:17:16 JST Petra van Cronenburg

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     @ianb 1/3 I understand your point of view very well, yes, one can see it that way.
     My background is perhaps formative: I worked for many years with eyewitnesses of the resistance in the Third Reich and as a political journalist on the neo-Nazi scene in Germany in the 1980s.
     What I learnt: right-wing extremists want to eradicate knowledge and criticism. They are happy when we simply shrug them off. Even if it is uncomfortable and hard, we need clear-sighted analyses and fact checks in times like

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     Quinn Norton (quinn@social.circl.lu)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 23:52:55 JST Quinn Norton

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     • Charlie Stross

     @ianb @cstross why is that site not supporting tls?

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     Ian Betteridge (ianb@mastodon.well.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 23:53:46 JST Ian Betteridge

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     • Charlie Stross
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     @quinn @cstross Probably too ancient for anyone to have bothered.