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<blockquote style="position: relative; padding-left: 55px;"><section><a href="https://mastodon.social/users/urlyman/statuses/113900090273218609">Jonathan Schofield (urlyman@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 21:03:56 JST</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/@urlyman" title="urlyman@mastodon.social"><img src="https://gnusocial.jp/avatar/161114-48-20250126152727.webp" width="48" height="48" alt="Jonathan Schofield" style="position: absolute; left: 0; top: 0;">Jonathan Schofield</a><div><a href="https://mastodon.well.com/@ianb/113896082711810627" rel="in-reply-to">in reply to</a><ul><li><li><a href="https://gnusocial.jp/user/15877" title="naturemc@mastodon.online">Petra van Cronenburg</a></li><li><a href="https://gnusocial.jp/user/264093" title="ianb@mastodon.well.com">Ian Betteridge</a></li><li><a href="https://gnusocial.jp/user/323137" title="timnitgebru@mastodon.social">Timnit Gebru</a></li></ul></div></section><article><p><a href="https://mastodon.well.com/@ianb">@ianb</a> the one supports the other. </p><p>As to where effectiveness lies, the Just Stop Oil approach is a kind of “those guys are fucking stupid” strategy and overwhelmingly, because of the asymmetries, the societal response is “*you* guys are fucking stupid”.</p><p>Which I think leaves us here <a href="https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/113889391969519396" rel="nofollow">https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/113889391969519396</a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.online/@NatureMC">@NatureMC</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@TimnitGebru">@TimnitGebru</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@emilymbender">@emilymbender</a></p></article><footer><a rel="bookmark" href="https://gnusocial.jp/conversation/4451941#notice-8723359">In conversation</a><time datetime="2025-01-27T21:03:56+09:00" title="Monday, 27-Jan-2025 21:03:56 JST">about 11 days ago</time> <span>from <span><a href="https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/113900090273218609" rel="external" title="Sent from mastodon.social via ActivityPub">mastodon.social</a></span></span><a href="https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/113900090273218609">permalink</a><h4>Attachments</h4><ol><li><article><header><div>No result found on File_thumbnail lookup.</div><h5><a href="https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/113889391969519396@NatureMC">Jonathan Schofield (@urlyman@mastodon.social)</a></h5><div> from <span>Jonathan Schofield</span></div></header><div>2/5
…we *know* we are in for many metres of sea level rise but we can’t be sure how many metres or when. There are other scopes of inevitability to what we are doing. But in highly stratified (unequal) societies the sense of what is possible for us to do, and what is sustainable for us to keep doing, is confoundingly diverse. So even though I clamour for things like citizens’ assemblies, I’m realistic about what kinds of consensus could follow. Not much!</div><footer></footer></article></li></ol></footer></blockquote>

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Jonathan Schofield (urlyman@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 21:03:56 JSTJonathan Schofield
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@ianb the one supports the other.
As to where effectiveness lies, the Just Stop Oil approach is a kind of “those guys are fucking stupid” strategy and overwhelmingly, because of the asymmetries, the societal response is “*you* guys are fucking stupid”.
Which I think leaves us here https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/113889391969519396
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  2/5 …we *know* we are in for many metres of sea level rise but we can’t be sure how many metres or when. There are other scopes of inevitability to what we are doing. But in highly stratified (unequal) societies the sense of what is possible for us to do, and what is sustainable for us to keep doing, is confoundingly diverse. So even though I clamour for things like citizens’ assemblies, I’m realistic about what kinds of consensus could follow. Not much!

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