muesli
BambuLab basically closes down their entire 3D printer ecosystem with this ridiculous cloud authorization system.
Would it really still surprise anyone if DRM'd filaments are next on their agenda? Their printers are good, their prices are cheap, but please, stop supporting this company.
https://blog.bambulab.com/firmware-update-introducing-new-authorization-control-system-2/
muesli
Honestly, get something else. There are other manufacturers that offer you the same experience and (arguably even more) quality for just a little more money.
You get actual open interfaces and standards in return and they support their stuff for many years. You'll not run the risk of being locked out of your own machine and you will be able to print whatever filament you please.
Prusa, RatRig, Voron.
Marcus Noble
@fribbledom well damn! I was wanting to get one of their Printer but now... maybe not
Karel Gillissen
@fribbledom
Ridiculous. I’m not going to install the ‘upgrade’.
muesli
Well yes, except that at this point I fully expect one of their next printer generations to enforce using only tagged & Bambu-authorized filaments.
It'll be HP e-ink cartridges all over again.
Jess
@fribbledom filament DRM? You mean like this? https://forum.bambulab.com/t/if-we-cant-program-our-own-rfid-tags-please-sell-standalone-tags/24556
muesli
Until at some point in the near future:
"We're sorry, but we had to reject printers with outdated firmware versions from connecting to the Bambu cloud. For, ahem, security reasons."
muesli
I mean, Creality has its own weird history of open source & copyright infringements (among other problems)... but yes, at this point they at least act a lot more open-minded than Bambu and some of their other competitors.
Adriana Knouf
@fribbledom very glad I went with Creality rather than Bamboo for my last purchase. The Bamboo hype from influencers on YouTube almost got me, especially as Bamboo doesn't go out of its way to promote how proprietary it is...you have to dig a bit to realize that.
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well, it doesn't give you the same Bambu Cloud experience, but it has been the only way i use my Bambu P1S for a long while. I have not let this thing on the internet and I am not going to, ever.
muesli
Just make sure to now never upgrade to future firmware releases ;-)
Karel Gillissen
@fribbledom
Probably, but who needs the cloud anyway. We’ll see what will come. I can imagine that they will create an extra security layer around their cloud. But I don’t think they can lock out the users on LAN-mode.
muesli
At least in the long run this certainly works out.
Beady Belle Fanchannel
@fribbledom @eletious Maybe that’s why the printers are so cheap? The business model is selling filament?
Andreas Schneider
@fribbledom Welcome to the world of paper printing 😉
Andreas Bulling
@fribbledom
#prusa for the win!
Anton Piatek
@fribbledom the main reason I'm on my 2nd prusa printer is because of their commitment to open source
Howard Chu @ Symas
@fribbledom nobody learned this lesson already from Lexmark?
Bowreality
@fribbledom Thanks for the warning. I was thinking about getting one
muesli
Vorons aside, I'll take Prusa's interpretation of "open" any day over most of their competitors.
While the design isn't entirely open any longer, they still support open interfaces, have an open-source slicer and firmware.
If more companies worked like that, the world would already be a much better place 😆
John
@fribbledom @Marcus prusa arent exactly open anymore either.
muesli
Huh? Where did you read about opening the nextruder breaching the warranty?
I have a couple of them here and I wouldn't exactly describe it as proprietary.
Koz Ross
@zeitkunst @fribbledom Prusa haven't been all that open-source in truth or spirit for quite some time. Their 'open hardware' claims around the Mini are 100% a lie, and the MK4 is so proprietary that _opening up its extruder_ without a support staffer telling you to is a warranty breach.
Adriana Knouf
@fribbledom for sure. Wish I could afford Prusa, but that's not possible right now....
muesli
With this firmware update the printer will reject any unsigned g-codes, even when you print in LAN mode.
micha
@fribbledom @claudius what is the point?ni didn't get it. You just can go LAN only..
It am i missing sth?
muesli
Exactly.
micha
@fribbledom @claudius WTF?
RejZoR
@fribbledom I love my old and basic Ender 3 V2 because of how open and customizable it is. Works fully offline, I flashed it with custom firmware that gives it cool features and has been reliable machine to print incredible parts that I sliced with Cura. Honestly, I'd avoid buying anything that locks me down and thus I now know to avoid Bamboo when looking for new 3D printer...
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@fribbledom
What's, in your opinion, the alternative?
muesli
Probably a company with a track record of supporting open standards & interfaces.
Check out Prusa, RatRig, Voron.
If you're looking for a specific model, I'm happy to help.
muesli
Maybe it would also help if half of the machine's features didn't depend on being online at all times 🙄
Chewie
"Why is this change needed?
Additionally, over the past year, we've detected an increase in the number of requests made to our cloud services through unofficial channels."
So, in other words:
"Because our cloud security is shit"
muesli
I apologize if I misunderstood that, but their blog post sadly isn't overly specific in that regard.
In some ways that would be even worse, because that would mean now you're supposed to not only run proprietary code on your printer, but also your on your desktop.
Alas, enough alternatives still out there.
Benjamin Monjoie :verified:
@fribbledom I'm not happy with this either but I think you got something wrong. You are required to use a Bambu software but where does it say it needs to call their cloud to sign the gcode? My understanding is that the tool (Studio or Connect) will sign the gcode, not the cloud.
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