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   Fish in the percolator (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:09:04 JST Fish in the percolator
   Using cursor with Claude it’s hard to believe that many people will still be doing “normal” programming even in a year or two. It’s much better (and faster) than most Uni graduates, can run and write tests, fix any errors that come up, implement a png of a design, and so on. It does make mistakes and introduces bugs, but that’s not exclusive to llms. And it’s 20 usd a month.
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     Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:32:21 JST Christmas Sun

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     @lain If you're not using it you're fucking stupid. I feel confident saying that after less than a week.
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     Fish in the percolator (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:40:32 JST Fish in the percolator

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     @sun yeah, not using it is just throwing away so much productivity. But there’s still people pretending that these systems are not useful. Either way, they’ll be using it or jobless in a year or so.
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     tiskaan2@misskey.bubbletea.dev's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:55:37 JST tiskaan2

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     @lain@lain.com how do you use this stuff.

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     Fish in the percolator (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:55:37 JST Fish in the percolator

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     @tiskaan2 I mean, with cursor you can literally just go into a codebase and tell it “ hey write this feature for me” and it’ll do it
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     Fish in the percolator (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:56:43 JST Fish in the percolator

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     @matrix yeah, it’s good to actually know how things are supposed to work so you can easily spot mistakes that the AI makes, but nobody ever said that they wouldn’t hire junior devs because sometimes they write bugs in their code
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     matrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire: (matrix@gameliberty.club)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:56:44 JST matrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire:

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     @lain
     Copilot can use Sonnet now too and I have it for free.
     I fear that I'm going to become retarded from using it too much though.

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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:57:56 JST of nothing

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     @lain @sun a perennial problem for smart skeptical people is that snake oil salesmen and lying grifters are not exclusively features of fake innovation, but will also show up to exploit real innovation. I dismissed bitcoin for a long time because the community consisted entirely of deranged economically retarded speculators who would say things like "bitcoin's value is backed by the electricity consumed in mining it!" AI-assisted programming is being sold as a replacement for programmers in a beat-for-beat repeat of COBOL finally replacing programmers with secretaries because code could finally be in readable English instead of cryptic symbols. Of course it'll get dismissed when the hype's like that.
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     Fish in the percolator (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:58:30 JST Fish in the percolator

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     @why maybe you can chat with Claude via IRC somehow
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     You Will Never Know Why (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:58:31 JST You Will Never Know Why

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     @lain i just dont like vs code
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     You Will Never Know Why (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:01:04 JST You Will Never Know Why

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     @lain and then when the free uses run out you can switch to another website
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     You Will Never Know Why (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:01:05 JST You Will Never Know Why

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     @lain in a second browser window like always
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     Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:01:25 JST Christmas Sun

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     @matrix @lain I have definitely noticed it starts creating a "cruise control" sensation but at the same time it's generating boring shit so I don't have to
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     Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:03:05 JST Christmas Sun

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     @apropos @lain My position is that you shouldn't use it unless you already know how to program. Because then you are experienced enough to catch when it makes mistakes, which are frequent. I have seen it generate code for me that would just completely destroy security in a webapp I'm building, but I'm safe because 1. I already know the right way and 2. I take what is says as a suggestion, I don't just let it write it for me and walk away.
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     Fish in the percolator (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:03:10 JST Fish in the percolator

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     @sun @matrix yeah, it’s absolutely perfect for “I’m writing this code for the 8th time in a different framework” situations
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     Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:05:27 JST Christmas Sun

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     @pomstan @lain My strategy is I write the structure myself, work out the correct abstractions, things like that, then I let Cursor write the boring "interface with these libraries to create a login button"
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     pomstan (pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:05:29 JST pomstan

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     @sun @lain my experience using copilot is that it really encourages copypaste spaghetti shitcode which runs mostly correctly but is not maintainable

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     Fish in the percolator (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:08:36 JST Fish in the percolator

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     @why @apropos @sun honestly I don’t think any special experience is necessary. The programmer who writes SQL injections with Claude would also write them themselves, just slower.
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     You Will Never Know Why (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:08:37 JST You Will Never Know Why

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     @sun @apropos @lain after 6 years of experience i feel like i still dont know what im doing when should i start using AI
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     Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:08:52 JST Christmas Sun

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     @why @apropos @lain if you can belt out a medium-sized application end to end and not get mired in "did I make the right tradeoffs" is probably a good time. There are a lot of things I'm using AI for, but there are other fields I'm exploring in programming even after 30 years of experience, and I would probably only lightly use AI in that case so I actually learn what I should be doing. I would still use AI to help me with "unsolvable problems" because if you're stuck, why not try
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     Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:10:24 JST Christmas Sun

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     @apropos @lain I have definitely run into this, fought hard with the AI and got back shit until I asked it exactly the right way. However, 90+ percent of the time, I can mash out caveman text into it and it magically just gives me the right thing.
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:10:26 JST of nothing

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     @sun @lain I've gotten system administration commands from ChatGPT that would work *most* of the time - but eventually completely brick your system.
     
     But even outside of dangerous code like this, non-prrogrammers struggle to solve problems even with an AI writing all the code. With the right questions the AI can even fix the code, but they don't know what questions to ask. This all reminds me a lot of xkcd hopium about how Google would mean that anyone could be an instant expert on any subject.
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     You Will Never Know Why (why@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:14:04 JST You Will Never Know Why

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     @sun @apropos @lain despite my "experience" ive only contributed to large size things or partially made very small size things. i think im gonna continue using it as a stackoverflow replacement while learning how to make my own projects on my own
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     Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:14:04 JST Christmas Sun

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     @why @apropos @lain tbh if you just double-check, use it. if you still make a mistake after you peer reviewed it, you would have made it anyway and it still saved you time
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     Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:19:30 JST Christmas Sun

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     @apropos @lain I have already seen tons of talk about management tasks being easy to AI-away. At the exact same time that people on social media still screaming "WHY DO THEY ONLY TALK ABOUT IT TAKING AWAY EVERYBODY'S JOB BUT NOT MANAGERS"
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:19:31 JST of nothing

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     @sun @lain if you're consistently good at that then people will give you programming tasks, report bugs to you, complain when the UI isn't just so, complain about performance and scaling, and give you both trivial and completely infeasible feature requests without knowing the difference - and you'll just be a programmer, and very good programmers will still be valuable, and those people still won't be programmers even though they could talk to the same AI you're talking to.
     
     If we're dooming I think managers might be a lot more easily replaced than programmers.
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     Fish in the percolator (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:20:43 JST Fish in the percolator

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     @sun @apropos most people have zero idea what managers do beyond they it’s something supposedly easy and that they should hate them for it. I’m happy to see what will come in the future without too much speculation.
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:20:58 JST of nothing

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     @why @sun @lain SO replacement, documentation replacement, and (sadly) tech writer replacement. And a library replacement, when you consider how little value various 'frameworks' provide over the underlying API.
     
     Eventually you'll get linked a git repo and there will be no documentation at all, not even a README.
     Q: uh, how do I use this? What is this even for?
     A: ask AI to read it and tell you, dummy
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     Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:22:47 JST Christmas Sun

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     @lain @apropos I have worked for some great managers. A great manager removes obstacles from you so I don't have to slow down or stop multiple times a day
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:25:35 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lain as someone studying CS/informatics engineering at uni, would you like some fries with your order?

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     Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:28:00 JST Christmas Sun

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     @apropos @lain > Invent AI that can organize a company picnic
     > "HR has announced a company-wide ban on AI"
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:28:02 JST of nothing

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     @lain @sun it's like criticism of landlords. Yes, landlords exist who do good work. I've had extremely good managers that I had a lot of respect for, and I can at least imagine a pretty good landlord. But when people complain about administrative non-entities who get paid to impair function across an organization, it's not a defense of such people to say that good managers also exist.
     
     There will be experiments as layoffs continue. The laid-off can try replacing the organization with an AI.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:30:26 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @pomstan @lain @sun So it's perfect for corporate shitcode. :D
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     Tadano (tadano@mt.watamelon.win)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:34:16 JST Tadano

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     @mischievoustomato @lain Join EE gang instead :LIVE:

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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:34:16 JST mischievoustomato

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     @tadano @lain I can put a fork inside a socket, yeah

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     Fish in the percolator (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:34:32 JST Fish in the percolator

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     @Economic_Hitman @why @apropos @sun that’s why carpenters first so 20 years of using their pocket knife before they are allowed to touch power tools
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     Viscount Economic_Hitman (economic_hitman@noauthority.social)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:34:33 JST Viscount Economic_Hitman

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     @why @apropos @lain @sun
     I have the same amount of on-the-job experience as you and I agree, I don't want to start getting answers spoon fed to me yet or else I'm afraid I won't learn how to do it myself.

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     Fish in the percolator (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 16:03:21 JST Fish in the percolator

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     yeah, both zed and cursor have vim extensions, I can't work without them either.
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     rin (rin@post.ebin.club)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 16:03:24 JST rin

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     @lain do you use any modal editing plug-ins with it? I wanna try but too used to my vim keybinds
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     Dewoo Alt-dog (dwaltiz@pleroma.soykaf.com)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 17:07:09 JST Dewoo Alt-dog

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     @lain vi vi vi - the number of the beast! @rin
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