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   akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:08:59 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)
   dear god i hope canonical and redhat and all those other shit corpos die
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:08:57 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lizzy RH helps make gnome so pls no

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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:10:34 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lizzy > I think the community can do fine without them.
     I honestly doubt so, designers don't work for free, and gnome has great design. I don't think they'll make it closed source at all either.

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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:10:35 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @mischievoustomato I think the community can do fine without them. and them making it closed source to some degree is a real possibility
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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:11:38 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     nothing against companies doing linux, everything against companies going lowkey or highkey closed source while still pretending to be part of the linux community
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:12:40 JST 翠星石

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     @lizzy Linux is a proprietary kernel and consists of a massive amount of proprietary software, thus it's hard to argue that proprietary software companies aren't part of such "community".
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:12:58 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lizzy I don't remember much of it but it it isn't "basically closed". Imo what they did was right to protect their business.

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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:13:00 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @mischievoustomato they already made their main product basically closed
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:14:10 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lizzy sure you could hope for everything to be open and free 100% but in the real world that doesn't help to make money when people will go for cheaper options for support. If RH and Canonical were to leave the linux/foss game, I'd probably have to go back to windows or finally aim for a macbook.

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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:16:09 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lizzy Valve still exists and they would still contribute but, without actual corpo money linux will end up fading again into obscurity

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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:17:13 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lizzy > i feel like it could take on a better path if it was community run

     but the whole thing about gnome is that it does its own thing! I don't want it to be a bland copy of what the other DEs do. That'd be so disappointing.

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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:17:14 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @mischievoustomato one other thing i'd like to add that while gnome itself is a well designed product they have a really bad impact on the ecosystem, especially the wayland ecosystem. they refuse to collaborate and agree on the things everyone else agrees on (so many protocols that are not implemented by them). also stuff like removing theming from GTK. i feel like it could take on a better path if it was community run
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:18:17 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lizzy has opensuse/suse even done the same things RH has done? I only really read phoronix, but when it comes to linux-on-the-desktop projects I only ever see red hat/fedora spearhead stuff.

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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:18:18 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @mischievoustomato that's what they want you to believe. but the truth is the IBM management making shit decisions for them because they don't understand the open source / free software space. OpenSUSE can do completely fine without this and even Ubuntu isn't as closed down.
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:26:10 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lizzy yeah but RH does support contracts, if there's other distros that exist for free but have your stuff down to the exact same bugs (which how i saw it described), then people can just go for the cheaper options and leave you in the dust. It does make sense to me, I'd say your situation at your company is different

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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:26:11 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @mischievoustomato i literally work for an open source company. you don't need to lock down most of your source code to profit. what we do is support and develop / fix bugs for corpos that use your stuff and also sell the product with support and so on to end users. while the packaging for the end user product is proprietary, the actual engine (wine) and everything needed to make it work is open source. and yea we work with valve.
     
     it's not necessary to put your code behind a paywall
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:27:17 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lizzy > while GNOME only cares about their walled garden

     that's literally why I use gnome. Stuff is cohesive, well performing, and nice to look at and use...

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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:27:18 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @mischievoustomato valve has a better impact on the wayland ecosystem than GNOME. they push for actual progress and protocols while GNOME only cares about their walled garden
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:28:55 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lizzy IDK, the stubborness of the gnome devs is that gives me the relief that the system I use will keep being good, there's no guarantee that it'll be the same if stuff changes.

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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:28:57 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @mischievoustomato this isn't about UX. Plasma and sway (wlroots) have UIs that couldn't be more different but they maintain compatibility with each other's protocols. supporting stuff like a wayland screen recording protocol that everyone else agrees on doesn't affect your UX
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:41:12 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lizzy The thing is that there's the gnome circle of apps where apps are made for gnome, and stuff works nicely. And being quite real, stuff like Electron and shit will accomodate for gnome in virtue of it being used by ubuntu and fedora/rhel/rocky/alma etc

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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:41:13 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @mischievoustomato I don't think it's a good reason to feel safe. stuff like wl-clipboard is way worse on GNOME for example. if GNOME simply doesn't let you do things other DEs allow, at some point they're gonna be left behind by application developers. there is a merit to following standards
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:41:44 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lizzy And as stuff develops, they implement things that make sense to them

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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:42:17 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lizzy ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh COSMIC is very young and there's no telling it'll be of quality.

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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:42:18 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @mischievoustomato all of this is possible without a walled garden in terms of technology. look at what Pop!OS is doing with COSMIC
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:43:23 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lizzy yeah how do they make money out of that when the companies that would contract RH for that go with cheaper alternatives?

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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:43:24 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @mischievoustomato the entire point is the support that they do? that you can say "hey this doesn't work for me" and then they make it work. that's why corpos use it. corpos never go with a DIY solution even if it's the same codebase, they want support
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:54:33 JST mischievoustomato

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     @tadano @lizzy well, i guess windows 11 will be my new home if that happens until I can get a macbook ha

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     Tadano (tadano@mt.watamelon.win)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 01:54:34 JST Tadano

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     @mischievoustomato @lizzy even more reason to hope RH gets fucked then 😏

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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:21:39 JST mischievoustomato

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     @tadano @lizzy if its good thats ok but it needs quality. for all i know cosmic could be ending like kde 2

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     Tadano (tadano@mt.watamelon.win)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:21:40 JST Tadano

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     @mischievoustomato @lizzy It's up in the air tbh. IMO if they make it a tiling wm that just werks™ with DE niceties it'll be worth using but I don't know if they even have that as a vision.

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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:27:40 JST mischievoustomato

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     @tadano @lizzy If the ecosystem is good and I feel right using it, I'd give it a honest shot. I have seen that COSMIC is using vulkan and gstreamer for their video/media player, which means that they do know what they are doing at least.

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     Tadano (tadano@mt.watamelon.win)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:27:41 JST Tadano

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     @mischievoustomato @lizzy KDE with native tiling and substantially less bugs would be peak desktop experience ngl

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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:32:40 JST mischievoustomato

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     @tadano @lizzy MPV is annoying often, and I prefer using the new gnome video app, Showtime, because it looks like a gnome app, seems to use less power for video rendering (it already does dmabuf), and it can have rounded corners (pretty).

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     Tadano (tadano@mt.watamelon.win)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 02:32:41 JST Tadano

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     @mischievoustomato @lizzy Admittedly I am unsure why anyone needs a video player not named mpv but :eimithumbsup:

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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:10:13 JST 

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     @tadano @mischievoustomato @sapphire @lizzy I don't think I have one on hand, so have some random shit from /g/.
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     sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:10:14 JST sapphire

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     @tadano @mischievoustomato @lizzy see, your definition of “work” is really skewed because you’re an unemployed student who can afford to have lofty ideals about your tools.
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     @sapphire @lizzy @mischievoustomato

     1. I graduated and am working
     2. I summon @mint to hit this nigga with the pic related compilation and cite this article (https://medium.com/@fulalas/gnome-mess-is-not-an-accident-4e301032670c) as a compilation of GNOME devs being objective retards

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     Tadano (tadano@mt.watamelon.win)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:10:15 JST Tadano

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     @sapphire @lizzy @mischievoustomato Egh they do support a lot of FOSS projects but they really need to clean house badly. GNOME in particular needs to get strongarmed into making things work, preferably through a purge. It all depends on IBM however and they are very well entrenched in poz.

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     Tadano (tadano@mt.watamelon.win)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:10:16 JST Tadano

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     @sapphire @lizzy The more pertinent question is when does the corpse of RedHat stop shambling about?

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     sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:10:16 JST sapphire

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     @tadano @lizzy hopefully never, I’m with @mischievoustomato on this one
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     sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:10:17 JST sapphire

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     @lizzy redhat did die already
     
     Consumed by IBM
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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:13:50 JST mischievoustomato

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     @lizzy @Jessica flatpak sucks, good on fedora honestly.

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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:13:51 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @Jessica

     fedora refusing to remove bottles and other flatpak-native programs

     lmao people rely on these packages - it was something the maintainer was willing to do but decided against after receiving feedback from people who fucking use the package. as a distro, just overwrite the issue tracker / bug report URL in the software so people don’t bother upstream with their problems. fedora serving the will of their users isn’t a packaging issue comparable to ubuntu nuking the system when you try to install a package. the idea that developers should control how users use their software is fundamentally flawed

     and yea debian is just bitrotten on purpose, it’s useful for some people who don’t like change i guess. tho debian testing/unstable works pretty well for a lot of users i think

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     Jessica's new Main (jessica@kitsunes.club)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:13:52 JST Jessica's new Main

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     @lizzy@social.vlhl.dev I didn't say anything about ubuntu I just mean all distros have their weird quirks
     like the maintainers for keepassXC on debian just randomly deciding browser integration was a security risk even though it isn't, fedora refusing to remove bottles and other flatpak-native programs, and debian being stale with security vulns sometimes

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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:13:53 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @Jessica it's just that ubuntu is just insanely bad in this regard, you run into them faster, more often, and the fuck your system worse and are harder to fix. it's not even comparable to something like Fedora
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     Jessica's new Main (jessica@kitsunes.club)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:13:54 JST Jessica's new Main

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     @lizzy@social.vlhl.dev seems like every distro has their own weird packaging issues

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     @Jessica What would we lose? Ubuntu? It sucks really really hard and isn't recommendable for anyone. RHEL? is mostly for corpos and sold with support anyway. Fedora is good but I feel like the community would manage without red hat
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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:13:56 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @Jessica nah there are great choices that just work in there. OpenSUSE, Mint and Pop!OS in particular.
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     Jessica's new Main (jessica@kitsunes.club)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:13:57 JST Jessica's new Main

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     @lizzy@social.vlhl.dev and most of these I wouldn't really consider options unless you don't value your time all that much.

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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:13:58 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @Jessica And the 1000 other linux distros out there. Alpine, Void, Gentoo, OpenSUSE, Mint, Pop!_OS, NixOS etc.
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     Jessica's new Main (jessica@kitsunes.club)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:13:59 JST Jessica's new Main

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     @lizzy@social.vlhl.dev what would that leave us with
     I guess it would just be debian and arch, and then gentoo & slackware as a distant third

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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:14:24 JST mischievoustomato

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     @sapphire @tadano @lizzy pretty much xddddd

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     mischievoustomato@0.5dollah.click's status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 03:15:29 JST mischievoustomato

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     @tadano @sapphire @lizzy GNOME needs more money, but to stick to its vision!!

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     @tadano @sapphire @mint @lizzy
     i skimmed a bit and...
     > x11
     who even uses that anymore?
     > bugs
     I haven't had those happen to me ever across distros and versions, that's very odd.
     I've also never had that Gnome Software issue at all. Honestly, I'll attribute the rest of his issues to the fedora install going wrong somehow.

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     @sapphire @mint @tadano @lizzy Also, citing bugs and unironically recommending KDE is enough for me to disregard the blog post lmao

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     @tadano @sapphire @mint @lizzy I've done that on wayland for ages, soooooooo excuses, excuses!

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     @mischievoustomato @sapphire @mint @lizzy
     >who even uses that anymore?
     People who actually need legacy applications for work. Also people who need to do screen recording or screen sharing.

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     @tadano @sapphire @mint @lizzy For me just using it for like 15 minutes is enough to find myriads of bugs lol

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     @mischievoustomato @sapphire @mint @lizzy
     KDE never did me wrong :cirnoshrug:

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     @sapphire @mint @tadano @lizzy its ok if it works for you, but I wouldn't recommend KDE to someone I cared about.