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   Adrianna Tan (skinnylatte@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 05-Jan-2025 13:15:04 JST Adrianna Tan

   A lot of the #immigration conversion is also people who have never emigrated hearing about visas for the first time.

   ‘You can only work for one employer? You have to leave if you lose your job?’

   Yes, that’s how visas work. Not saying I agree: it causes a lot of stress, but that is how visas work, generally. Everywhere.

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     Adrianna Tan (skinnylatte@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 05-Jan-2025 13:17:44 JST Adrianna Tan

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     If your take on learning all of this is, there should be open borders, immigrants should not be treated so poorly, congrats, you’re halfway there!

     Now use that energy to advocate for immigrants, to have more rights. Anyone who wants to keep jobs for ‘natives’ can get fucked

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     Adrianna Tan (skinnylatte@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 05-Jan-2025 13:44:01 JST Adrianna Tan

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     • Shannon Clark

     @Rycaut yeah! That’s a good one.

     Some EU countries offer ancestry-based visas as well

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     Shannon Clark (rycaut@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 05-Jan-2025 13:44:02 JST Shannon Clark

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     @skinnylatte it is why rare programs like India’s OCI are so valuable (but also so unusual that few countries offer anything similar)

     (The OCI - “overseas citizen of India” is a lifelong permanent visa to work or live in India that children and even grandchildren of Indian Citizens including former citizens who have become citizens of most ofher countries can qualify for. It’s a long, complex and not free application process. I will likely get mine this year as a spouse of someone with it)

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     draNgNon (drangnon@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 05-Jan-2025 13:47:24 JST draNgNon

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     • Shannon Clark

     @skinnylatte I have a friend who's husband's grandmother is from Malta and they qualify for it. There are other hoops of course.

     @Rycaut

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     Adrianna Tan (skinnylatte@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 05-Jan-2025 16:47:33 JST Adrianna Tan

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     • Ren

     @renpanda yup

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     Ren (renpanda@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 05-Jan-2025 16:47:34 JST Ren

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     @skinnylatte it’s fascinating watching liberals argue against visas linked to employers because they’re basically arguing against working visas in general. Yes, let’s get rid of some more legal pathways to immigrate to the US by feigning the reason is to help (US) workers…disappointing

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     Adrianna Tan (skinnylatte@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 05:02:52 JST Adrianna Tan

     • Camilo

     @cam that’s only for tourist travel. Trying to live somewhere else as an America is also arduous. Less than other passports sometimes, but still work.

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     Adrianna Tan (skinnylatte@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 05:06:39 JST Adrianna Tan

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     • Camilo

     @cam my passport is more powerful than the American one and I’d never assume I can just live somewhere Visa-free!

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     Adrianna Tan (skinnylatte@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 09:00:38 JST Adrianna Tan

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     • Matt Palmer

     @womble every country believes some version of this!

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     Matt Palmer (womble@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 09:00:39 JST Matt Palmer

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     @skinnylatte several decades of being told by the media that people just arrive in a country and get everything handed to them meets cold, hard reality.

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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 13:28:46 JST LisPi

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     • Rich Felker
     @skinnylatte @dalias A further increment on the reasonable take would be to conclude that getting rid of workism would be desirable.
     
     Keeping jobs for the "natives" /shouldn't/ matter. We're long past the point where anyone should need to work full time, and there are several jobs that it would legitimately be better for society to pay those doing them to just stay home and /not/ work instead (in quite a few corporations I've been, that'd be over 1/3 of the employees).
     
     If basic human/personal rights weren't contingent on constant employment (isn't that a weird one, huh?), a lot of the arguments would obviously not make sense.
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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 06-Jan-2025 13:30:07 JST Rich Felker

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     • LisPi

     @lispi314 @skinnylatte I love the term workism. We should start replying to asshats complaining about "wokism" pretending to agree that workism is bad and explaining the reasons. 🤪