Adrianna Tan
I hate it when anyone on any side politically talks about immigration. The libertarians and billionaire class appear to be pro-H1B because we are workers who feed their money machines and can’t easily quit or unionize. The liberals think we are privileged immigrants who take their tech jobs and we don’t need help in this utterly broken system.
The leftists who think we are cheap labor who take American jobs, you all suck too.
Drew :verified_trans:
@skinnylatte the leftists who think that are weird af nationalism is a prison
Adrianna Tan
I’ve seen a number of people advocating for H1B to be restricted because the job market is so bad now, they don’t want the extra competition. They also feel it’s unfair; and think employers always choose H1B workers. H1B workers who are struggling to find new jobs to replace the ones they lost in the same layoffs, and having to give up their entire lives if they fail, will be surprised to hear this.
Adrianna Tan
@enobacon oh the other day I read that the Bay Area has bad drivers because we’re all from H1B countries
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@skinnylatte you left out the drivers who think you're just one more car in front of them at the signal or taking their free parking at the local shops. I think most yimbys are pro immigrant though. Now if only we could use a voting method that supported more than two sides (STAR or Approval, or a few ranked methods that aren't IRV/STV)
Itoshi no FoxyDonuts 🏳️⚧️
@skinnylatte I just left a company due to lots of issues and moved to a new job because I'm a citizen. Many of my coworkers are H1Bs and don't have that privilege so they have to put up with all the BS. If their staying here didn't literally depend on that job they would have left a long time ago. So yeah, it's harder, you probably get exploited more, and you have to deal with all the crappy immigration crap on top of that.
Merilee D. Karr, MD, MFA
@skinnylatte
Uhh, no.
Liberals value education, vote for it, and respect it in others.
And, correction, it’s conservatives, not liberals, who see life as a zero-sum game, where anyone who gets a job is taking it away from someone else.
Show me these “liberals who think [H1b holding] immigrants are taking their tech jobs.” I don’t see any.
You’re not as alone as you think. Recognize your allies.
Adrianna Tan
@merileedkarr I’ve experienced a significant number of Democratic aligned people who think H1B workers don’t need assistance because we aren’t refugees. The Democratic administration also hasn’t made substantial improvements or changes to fix the broken immigration system overall. There’s a theoretical idea of who liberals are that sounds great in practice, but many are not clued in on immigration.
pettter
@skinnylatte No nations, no borders, refugees and migrants both should be welcomed with open arms everywhere they go.
pettter
@skinnylatte n.b. this is doubly true for.the imperial core.
Adrianna Tan
@pettter I agree, with caveats
pettter
@skinnylatte mm, having migrated in the second easiest possible way (postdoc not within EU but from EU to Switzerland) I absolutely appreciate what you write there.
Gordon Oliver
@skinnylatte the H1B system is so twisted. The visa should not be so tightly tied to a single job
Because of the rest of our immigration mess, H1Bs discriminate by country as well. If you are from the “right” country, your path to residency is easy, otherwise you wait almost forever. I especially feel for kids who came here young and have friends and social lives here.
Adrianna Tan
@Adventurer if it helps, it’s the same everywhere else right now
Adventurer In California
@skinnylatte
I have a lot of thoughts in support of immigrants whether sponsored or not. It seems like the hardest thing to do is to be displaced, even if it's voluntary. With the current president elect I don't want to be part of this country anymore but figuring out a different option is so complicated.
Josh Simmons
@skinnylatte there's a really nasty trap where people see "real americans" being treated poorly e.g. paying absurd tuition costs, and then rather than thinking about that, they just accept it, and switch to "well of course we can't afford to give cheap tuition to foreigners, we can't even afford to give cheap tuition to Americans". But obviously it's a real failure of imagination to think those problems are innate or unsolvable and it's a deliberate ploy to recenter everything around immigration
Adrianna Tan
@dotstdy yeah, I keep seeing this here. There’s a whole ‘we don’t want privileged foreigners coming here, they can’t get more things than us’. I understand where it comes from, but whew
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