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   Raphael Albert (r_alb@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 06:18:23 JST Raphael Albert

   Please do not track your children with their phones!

   If you get them used to surveillance at an early age, they won’t protest it when they’re older. Although your intentions may be good, the consequences won’t be!

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   #privacy #PrivacyMatters #DataProtection

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     Raphael Albert (r_alb@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 06:18:22 JST Raphael Albert

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     • Seth G.

     @secbox
     I do get your point, but I disagree.

     The issue as I see it is that if children are subjected to surveillance early on, the experience becomes normalised. Even worse: Since the parents are doing the surveillance, it might become reframed as some expression of care or affection. I consider that to be dangerous, because once children that are brought up in such a way become adults, it’s much easier for governments or corporations to exploit that.

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     Alfred M. Szmidt (amszmidt@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 06:18:22 JST Alfred M. Szmidt

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     • Seth G.

     @r_alb Is perfectly on point .. if you need to monitor you children, you've essentially failed in their upbringing.

     Being a parent is about teaching how to build shields, not being the shield. If you constantly need to protect your loved ones .. it is a time to take a big step back.

     A parents sole mission is to see that they can thrive when you're no longer there to protect them, which might come sooner .. or hopefully much later.

     @secbox

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     Seth G. (secbox@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 06:18:23 JST Seth G.

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     @r_alb

     Despite being an adamant privacy proponent:

     There is a difference between a parent monitoring their children's online activities to keep them safe vs. a government or corporation monitoring them for ulterior motives. Teaching children nuance is an important part of development.

     But also, if you do monitor your children, use a secure and privacy-respecting software to do so. Most consumer-advertised products that offer this functionality could not be less fit for that purpose.

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     Raphael Albert (r_alb@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 06:20:41 JST Raphael Albert

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     • Alfred M. Szmidt

     @amszmidt
     I totally agree!

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     Alfred M. Szmidt (amszmidt@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 07:33:09 JST Alfred M. Szmidt

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     • Seth G.

     @secbox > ...and since employees are adults, no enterprise security or monitoring solutions are needed to ensure they don't misuse their devices, correct?

     Why the hell do you need to monitor your employees?

     You're paying them to do a job, and your job (maybe not you as an individual, but any manager ...) is essentially the same --- to give directions, see and _accept_ failure, and encourage success.

     @r_alb

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     Seth G. (secbox@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 07:33:10 JST Seth G.

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     • Alfred M. Szmidt

     @amszmidt @r_alb

     ...and since employees are adults, no enterprise security or monitoring solutions are needed to ensure they don't misuse their devices, correct?

     Just like an enterprise, parents (1)issue devices, (2)are responsible for the safe use of those devices, and (3)have legal obligations to the users of those devices.

     Monitoring isn't exclusively because of lack of trust or because you've failed in providing proper training. Monitoring:

     1. Makes sure users (children) stay safe online when they inevitably make misinformed decisions (and then create learning moments),

     2. Tracks the physical locations of the devices in case of an *emergency*, whether the user is with the device or not, both of which are unfortunately real threats,

     3. Captures data in case of a crime that can be used to track the offender and protect the victim.

     We teach kids the concept of "trusted adults" that they can confide in and refer to for specific sensitive help; if parents can't extend that same sense of trust to who can monitor them online, that's concerning.

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     Tek say resist (tek@freeradical.zone)'s status on Friday, 27-Dec-2024 07:42:38 JST Tek say resist

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     • Em :official_verified:

     @r_alb @Em0nM4stodon Yes and no. We all share Find My Friends with each other, but don't make a big deal of it. The kids can see when we're heading home from the store, and we can see that the kids are out later than we wanted, but they're at a known alright friend's house and don't pester them.

     BUT, we also teach them diligently. Tell *me* the truth at all times, but if a cop's asking questions, STFU and tell them you want to talk to your parents *right now*. Context is everything.