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   kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Thursday, 19-Dec-2024 08:17:56 JST kravietz 🦇

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   The problem of Mearsheimer and other Western idiots who teach Eastern Europe how to deal with Russia is that they’ve never been to Russia, and if they were, they never stick their nose out of Moscow.

   I’ve been going there for 20 years and I saw Russia and Ukraine from inside, including rural and provincial towns.

   Here’s how a typical provincial Russia looks like and this is precisely why nobody except for very poor Tadjiks want to move there. In addition to wasting your car’s suspension, you can be killed by a random speeding jeep and in the court it will be “your fault” because it was driven by a son of local official or mafia boss.

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     >>>----g----> (g@propulse.club)'s status on Thursday, 19-Dec-2024 08:17:58 JST >>>----g---->

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     @kravietz Leave Russia alone, they have their own problems... 😀

     You have a different position than I do because I am much closer to the theories described by prof. Mearsheimer, and I’m trying to understand the entire context of the situation. This isn’t against you; it’s great that you gave me some insights. Thank you for the discussion!

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     kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Thursday, 19-Dec-2024 08:17:59 JST kravietz 🦇

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     Leave US alone, they have their own problems but they are on another continent. Ukraine did not want to join US, it wants to join EU. Which makes perfect sense, because across these three neighbours - Russia, Ukraine, Poland the comparison shows that even with all (few) oligarchs Ukraine’s income inequality is massively lower than Russia’s (and even Poland).

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     >>>----g----> (g@propulse.club)'s status on Thursday, 19-Dec-2024 08:18:00 JST >>>----g---->

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     @kravietz I can only ask: Where did the Ukrainian oligarchs disappear to? 🤔 In 2023, the Gini index for the USA is 39.8, while for Russia it's 36, and for Ukraine, it's 25.6. Are you suggesting that there is some form of slavery in the USA, greater than in Russia? 😀

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     kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Thursday, 19-Dec-2024 08:18:01 JST kravietz 🦇

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     What are you trying to prove? That Ukrainians were wrong by deciding to turn away integration with Russia’s customs union and instead choosing EU Assaciation agreement? They weren’t, because the mistake you’re making is to look at nominal GDP while ignoring the massive difference in income inequality between Russia and other countries. So yes, an average Russian citizen statistically earned more than an average Pole or Ukrainian, except he never saw it, because the money was actually going for the castles of Putin, Shoigu and other oligarchs.

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     >>>----g----> (g@propulse.club)'s status on Thursday, 19-Dec-2024 08:18:02 JST >>>----g---->

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     @kravietz OK, let’s examine the numbers. GDP (PPP) growth from 1999 to 2023: Russia +116%, Ukraine +65%, EU +37%. This could rather indicate some "shortcomings" in EU leadership during this period.

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     kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Thursday, 19-Dec-2024 08:18:03 JST kravietz 🦇

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     Yes, the origins of the war are really simple. It’s Putina impotence at delivering promises he’s been making since 1999 - economic growth, improved welfare, economic equality, education, healthcare etc. He has been making these promises each year, but failed to actually deliver these in spite of massive oil and gas incomes. In 2012 when he violated Russian Constitution, he even made a then-famous “May Decrees” which were a long list tangible goals in all these spheres, which were expected to form the new social contract for Russia… but he failed again.
     
     In the meantime the economy of former Soviet countries like Poland continued to grow outside of Russia’s oligarchic model, and Ukraine decided it wants a change and decided on association with EU.
     
     The problem was of course that if Ukraine followed the Polish growth (which has already started), even the Russians would start asking questions about why their leaders don’t deliver.
     
     And that was indeed the only real “security concern” posed by Ukraine to Russia, and the reason why the war started. Russian model is unsustainable in long run and only holds by use of force.
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     >>>----g----> (g@propulse.club)'s status on Thursday, 19-Dec-2024 08:18:04 JST >>>----g---->

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     @kravietz Oh, I forgot that the years of escalation had such a simple root. Thank you for pointing that out! 😀

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     kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Thursday, 19-Dec-2024 08:18:05 JST kravietz 🦇

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     Well the war would not have started in the first place if one 70 years old dictator didn’t have fucked up ideas about owning other people.
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     @kravietz Have you personally spoken with the so-called majority of Russians? And how many millions of Ukrainian men have "voted with their feet" and fled the country? Any war should have been stopped yesterday, and even then, it would still be too late... war is the most senseless activity humanity has ever invented.

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     kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Thursday, 19-Dec-2024 08:18:07 JST kravietz 🦇

     Majority of Russians decimated in Ukraine had 100% choice of signing the contract - they may have been somewhat bullied, lured with money they’ve never seen, brainwashed, misled etc but ultimately they had a choice to sign or not to sign the contract. Hundreds of thousands of Russians still made the right choice and either fled Russia or never joined the army.

     North Koreans were born in a literal concentration camp, where they were property of the state from their birth, never even had the right to leave the country, then they were traded like slaves and sent to a war for a foreign country.