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   Insane Eagle Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:39:57 JST Insane Eagle Sun
   is the objection to E2EE Fedi DMs "use a real messenger" I'm having trouble coming up with my own objections other than that one
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     new me new me (lebronjames75@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:42:05 JST new me new me

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     @sun an extra layer of breaking dms between different softwares
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     Insane Eagle Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:42:25 JST Insane Eagle Sun

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     • H. Faust
     @hfaust some furry cryptographer
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     H. Faust (hfaust@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:42:26 JST H. Faust

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     @sun Who is implementing them?
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     Insane Eagle Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:43:36 JST Insane Eagle Sun

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     • H. Faust
     @hfaust dunno, discussion seems to be nestled snugly in crapstodon network
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     H. Faust (hfaust@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:43:37 JST H. Faust

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     @sun That's an oxymoron and second, is it related to AP or just centered around Mastodon?
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     👺防空識別區👹 (sojourn maxxing) (adiz@wl0.9ch.nl)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:45:21 JST 👺防空識別區👹 (sojourn maxxing)

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     @sun Seems like a needless complication of Fediverse software/AP in general. Like, really messy.

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     Insane Eagle Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:45:41 JST Insane Eagle Sun

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     • 👺防空識別區👹 (sojourn maxxing)
     @adiz "no one will implement it correctly, based on current fediverse code quality" seems to be another good objection
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     zonk (zonk@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:51:52 JST zonk

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     @sun how can you ever trust your server admin to actually use real e2e and not just roll their own spyware in the middle? it's such a silly usecase. if you need the privacy just use a dedicated app
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     Insane Eagle Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:52:02 JST Insane Eagle Sun

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     • zonk
     @zonk it wouldn't work if you used a website, yeah
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     Insane Eagle Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:53:18 JST Insane Eagle Sun

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     tons of great answers to this, I didn't think hard about it at all.
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     zonk (zonk@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:54:34 JST zonk

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     @sun power of the hive mind
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:55:53 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @sun "Use a real messenger" in general for any sort of DMs on the fedi isn't totally wrong
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     Insane Eagle Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:56:10 JST Insane Eagle Sun

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     • cool_boy_mew
     @coolboymew yeah it is my real objection
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 06:00:29 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @sun The idea of having a tiny chat between the notification and post box seems like a better idea in general
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     Insane Eagle Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 06:11:09 JST Insane Eagle Sun

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     @i I had no idea where this was or who was doing it specifically
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     :blank: (i@declin.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 06:11:10 JST :blank:

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     @sun you also could have read the thing where it addresses most of the common points over and over again https://soatok.blog/category/technology/open-source/fediverse-e2ee-project/ instead
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     Insane Eagle Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 06:18:28 JST Insane Eagle Sun

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     @i it sounds like he's saying he's planning on single handedly building every component needed separately and getting people to adopt them. good luck I guess
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     :blank: (i@declin.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 06:18:30 JST :blank:

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     @sun no one ever does, but they still find time to object to it
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     Insane Eagle Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 06:19:00 JST Insane Eagle Sun

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     • zonk
     @zonk @i not a fan of purple prose
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     zonk (zonk@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 06:19:01 JST zonk

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     @i @sun soatok's blog is impossible to read, the furry illustrations are so grating
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     Insane Eagle Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 06:26:04 JST Insane Eagle Sun

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     @i looking over it it's clear that this is really aspirational and for some version of fediverse that doesn't exist and isn't ever going to go in that direction anyway. I can't even criticize it.
     
     my personal project with fediverse is constantly wracked with doubt because I don't know if it's worth it, I don't know if my solution is good, and I don't think anyone will use it. I fully admit it's just for the sake of keeping my mind busy so I don't fall into depression.
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     :blank: (i@declin.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 06:26:05 JST :blank:

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     @sun who is gonna do any of the work on this fuck ass network, isn't that why you're doing all of it yourself too, even if it's including reference to the w3c colored prose of others
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     Insane Eagle Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 06:32:27 JST Insane Eagle Sun

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     • Phantasm
     @phnt I looked over the guy's idea and it requires a mountain of stuff layered over top of the existing network
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 06:32:28 JST Phantasm

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     @sun I guess nobody thinking this would be a great idea has read lain's article about it from years ago.
     
     As for the objection: The resulting design will very likely not be compatible with multiple AP implementations and dealing with keys/trusting them will be broken (like XMPP) or overlooked and broken (Matrix). Due to the nature of Fedi DMs, you are essentially dealing with groupchats. The final product will be OMEMO, but instead of XML as the base protocol, JSON will be used.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 06:37:12 JST Phantasm

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     @sun Yeah, that has zero chance of getting actually implemented unless Mastodon somehow forces it on everyone. The plethora of AP extensions is already a mess similar to the one of XMPP and it looks like nobody has learned from it.
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