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   James Tindall (atomless@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:22:46 JST James Tindall

   • Kit Yates

   @kityates interestingly "Herrenvolk democracy" translates to "Gentlemen People Democracy". Maybe what we have now is more "Rich People Democracy" which in German would be "Reichevolk Democracy" ?

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herrenvolk_democracy

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     Tim W RESISTS (tim@union.place)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:22:44 JST Tim W RESISTS

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     • Andreas K

     @yacc143 German speakers usually have basic historical knowledge? Better than I can say about USAians!

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     James Tindall (atomless@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:22:45 JST James Tindall

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     Ah, confusing.

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     Andreas K (yacc143@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:22:45 JST Andreas K

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     @atomless Rule 23 about computer translation. Don't try hair-splitting based upon Google Translate. Especially not entering one word (or a couple of them) without context.

     Translations for words are generally not 1 to 1, there are usually n:m relations.

     Now "herrenvolk" is loanword, a dictionary will only tell you it's Herrenvolk in German. Not very helpful. But it will also point you to a forum discussion, explaining that it was Nazi speak for "master race".

     https://dict.leo.org/german-english/Herrenvolk

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     Andreas K (yacc143@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:22:45 JST Andreas K

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     @atomless
     Computers need context (in some cases much context) to pick the correct translation, which humans can guess.

     E.g. Herrenvolk -> is a concated word. "das Volk" -> a people, a race

     But "der Herr" -> yes one translation would be "gentleman", but it also means "master", "sir", "gent", "mister", "lord"

     Now, a German speaker, with the usual basic historic knowledge, would recognize it as part of the Nazi vocabulary and know the meaning.

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     jeeger@mastodon.social's status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:22:46 JST jeeger

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     • Kit Yates

     @atomless @kityates in this case, "Herrenvolk" would quite literally translate to "master race".

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     Tim W RESISTS (tim@union.place)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 23:16:10 JST Tim W RESISTS

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     • Andreas K

     @yacc143 unfortunately here in the US it's pretty clear that attending mandatory history classes is not the same thing as understanding or retaining the lessons of history. 😟

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     Andreas K (yacc143@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 23:16:11 JST Andreas K

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     • Tim W RESISTS

     @tim Ok, let's be more precise.

     Especially the Austrian school system (which I have personal experience with as a student and a parent), does not let you skip history classes. Why? Because it has basically fixed class schedules. No choosing subjects (beyond perhaps 2nd/3rd foreign languages). But if you choose to attend that school, at a certain age point you do have a choice of 1-n types of curricula and that's it.

     And very few let you skip history. It's basically not optional.