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   Jerome (j@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:50 JST Jerome
   RISC-V Motherboard For Framework 13 Pricing Starts At $368 In Early Access, $928 For Laptop
   
   https://www.phoronix.com/news/RISC-V-Framework-Early-Access
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:36 JST 翠星石

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     @gentoobro @RedTechEngineer @mischievoustomato @HonkHonkBoom @JollyWizard @j >extremely corrupt copyright system
     Copyright is not relevant as Intel and AMD don't use each others software.
     
     The relevant thing is patents - Intel licenses x86 patents and AMD licenses AMD64 patents.
     
     VIA also offers x86 CPUs, although they lack support for certain instructions since patents.
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:37 JST gentoobro

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     Because due to a complicated history and extremely corrupt copyright system, Intel and AMD have a permanent duopoly* on x86.

     * Yeah yeah Cyrix

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     JollyWizard (jollywizard@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:38 JST JollyWizard

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     @HonkHonkBoom @mischievoustomato @RedTechEngineer @gentoobro @j seems like every improvement to arm is set back by os upgrades that the chips aren't ready for.
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     HonkHonkBoom (honkhonkboom@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:38 JST HonkHonkBoom

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     @JollyWizard @mischievoustomato @RedTechEngineer @gentoobro @j and there's massive infighting about arm IP and the destiny of the arm foundation making everything nuts, it's likely why there's been more interest in RISCV or anything that isn't wound up in weird licensing and patents.. this kosher legal system really is one of the biggest impediments to innovation, turned everything into a speculative asset and completely screwed up the creative process, throw in dieversity and the incompetency epidemic, and here we are, stagnation essentially, small incremental improvements because nobody is willing or capable of taking the risks needed to make leaps forward..
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     JollyWizard (jollywizard@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:38 JST JollyWizard

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     @HonkHonkBoom @mischievoustomato @RedTechEngineer @gentoobro @j I always wondered why the indie market wants to jump to another brand of awkward indie chips. as a casual, it's like "can't we get one set of shit that works good before we'd port tux racer to another platform with no support."
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     HonkHonkBoom (honkhonkboom@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:39 JST HonkHonkBoom

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     @mischievoustomato @RedTechEngineer @gentoobro @j yeah, no arm desktop chip is great, they're workin on it... not sure it's a good thing, arm was cheap because they were tiny chips, and low power, but now trying to scale it up to desktop, the efficiency starts going down.. might be interesting some day, but putting out consume devices with what is essentially interim development chips is just going to give people the impression that arm is simply bad ... sure, ya can get away with it with the apple cult, they buy whatever theyre given.
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     HonkHonkBoom (honkhonkboom@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:40 JST HonkHonkBoom

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     @gentoobro @RedTechEngineer @mischievoustomato @j Eh, the Snapdragon X Elite generally tops the M2 in both single and multicore, unless it's apple doing the benchmarking.
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     Johnny Peligro, now on Mitra! (mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:40 JST Johnny Peligro, now on Mitra!

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     @HonkHonkBoom @gentoobro @RedTechEngineer @j > m2
     woah, bravo for defeating a soc from... 2022

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     RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:41 JST RedTechEngineer

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     @mischievoustomato @gentoobro @j maybe compared to other ARM processors. or to other tablet processors.
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:41 JST gentoobro

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     Apple is miles ahead of every other ARM core.

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     Johnny Peligro, now on Mitra! (mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:44 JST Johnny Peligro, now on Mitra!

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     @gentoobro @RedTechEngineer @j hmmm i saw a lot of people, even on this side of fedi, say how the ipad with the m4 had the fastest single core performance in the world.

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     Johnny Peligro, now on Mitra! (mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:45 JST Johnny Peligro, now on Mitra!

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     @gentoobro @RedTechEngineer @j does apple silicon have the fastest single core

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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:45 JST gentoobro

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     Nope. Per-core in a non-rigged test it's like equivalent to a mid-level laptop cpu from the previous generation, except the Apple chip is running on the latest gen TSMC node.

     But Apple at least is not skimpy on the core count like Intel and AMD.

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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:46 JST gentoobro

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     Except even Apple can't get close to competing with the x86 vendors on a per-core basis, and they're the third best CPU vendor. Gotta throw 32+ cores into a consumer machine. Even Intel and AMD ship 6+ with hyperthreading in anything that's not a bargain basement chip.

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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:47 JST gentoobro

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     quad-core

     What's even the point of a simpler architecture if you don't get 64 cores?

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     RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:47 JST RedTechEngineer

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     @gentoobro @j they were going for higher performance in individual cores kind of what like Apple does. The problem is that this CPU is ancient by RISC-V standards and aged horribly. To add salt too the wound this is also an el cheapo low power CPU.
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     Jerome (j@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:48 JST Jerome

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     @RedTechEngineer yeah a low-end CPU from years ago and only 8gb of RAM
     Hopefully they'll make a version with a more decent chip soon.
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     RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Nov-2024 18:18:49 JST RedTechEngineer

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     they stuck a snail in that thing. that's gonna give people a lot of bad first impressions to risc-v.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 28-Nov-2024 14:07:50 JST 翠星石

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     @RedTechEngineer @mischievoustomato @HonkHonkBoom @JollyWizard @gentoobro @j >VIA really doesn't do their own CPUs anymore
     Yes, note how I wrote "offers" and not "makes".
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     RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Thursday, 28-Nov-2024 14:07:51 JST RedTechEngineer

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     @Suiseiseki @mischievoustomato @HonkHonkBoom @JollyWizard @gentoobro @j
     
     VIA really doesn't do their own CPUs anymore. Zhaoxin makes processors through them. They are apparently at first gen AMD Zen levels of performance.