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   mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 22:25:38 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 22:28:54 JST iced depresso

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     > To summarize what recently happened in the Python community: Someone uploaded a package named "slut". Their CoC-equivalent immediately removed it, bypassing all normal process. And then a long standing and well liked developer of many years was banned, fully (even Guido van Rossum wasn't allowed to speak with him!) for three months, for having the temerity to argue with the wrong people.
     
     ah god i'm too tired for the need to take the python and linux foundation out behind the woodshed right now
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 22:39:19 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @icedquinn
     People who force in CoCs are either useful tools or tyrants or both.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 22:43:21 JST iced depresso

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     @mangeurdenuage i think the fact their answer to "why do you need ultimate authority that bypasses the board?" is "ban :neocat_bottom:" is enough evidence the concept should be purged across all communities, but what do i know
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 22:50:40 JST Sick Sun

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     @mangeurdenuage I think he is brushing over the issues with Rust in the kernel, it seems to me there is blame on both sides but the Rust people are definitely asking for changes to how things have been done in the kernel forever with regard to API compatibility between releases. My conclusion at the end of it was, if you want Rust in your kernel make your own kernel using Rust from the ground up, it's a burden to force Rust requirements on a very large and old C project
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 22:58:10 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @sun I agree. I think the main reason they want to push rust in the kernel is notably to force acceptance of it.
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:04:46 JST Sick Sun

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     @mangeurdenuage some people whose opinion I trust are telling me that the author of the article is causing some of this because of a kind of style on the mailing list that unnecessarily puts people in defensive mode and isn't conducive to solving problems. I don't know but I supposed it is possible both that this person caused their own problems to get taken up with the CoC, while also being true that CoCs operating without transparency are scummy.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:05:43 JST iced depresso

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     @sun @mangeurdenuage cocks are even more pointless than HR departments, and twice as authoritarian
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:07:28 JST Sick Sun

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     @icedquinn @mangeurdenuage My current belief is that while the idea is plausible in theory, in practice they all were created in bad faith to purge people using vague rules.
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:08:56 JST Sick Sun

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     @icedquinn @mangeurdenuage a fundamental problem, and one I have had to grapple with from running this site, is it's impossible to write a set of rules to cover all misbehavior but the more rules you add the more you're killing the golden goose.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:09:45 JST iced depresso

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     @sun @mangeurdenuage basically yes.
     
     people went along with it because most of the docs were basically just re-stating netiquette and what was already the platform rules for the most part. but there is zero reason to have cock "teams" let alone weird bypass powers where they don't answer to anyone and have dictatorial control over the boards and shit.
     
     biden tried to float one of these for scotus too
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:09:46 JST Sick Sun

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     @asa @mangeurdenuage he's better than he used to be but like the russian maintainer thing proved he'll still be a dickhead when he knows he can get away with it.
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     Asa (asa@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:09:47 JST Asa

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     @sun @mangeurdenuage aren’t kernel mailing lists basically a pub for sailors at 3am
     
     I think I remember Linus calling someone mentally retarded
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:10:17 JST iced depresso

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     @sun @mangeurdenuage i think after nixos and python these people deserve a total loss of faith at minium and severe abuse at most
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:11:02 JST Sick Sun

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     @icedquinn @mangeurdenuage
     step 1: that won't happen
     step 2: that isn't what's happening
     step 3: yes it's happening, what are you gonna do about it
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:12:24 JST iced depresso

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     @sun @mangeurdenuage the problem is controllers are great at optics and you are basically staging a huge walkout over something they've successfully mindfucked people in to believing is a good thing.
     
     they will counter-PR with the usual nazi drivel, and you'd need nontrivial resources to set up a proper fork and organize a "drop cock or walk" campaign
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:12:41 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @sun @asa I think the matter is more complex considering the fundings of the LFoundation. But I don't want to elaborate on "politics". To say it could have been done in a much more peaceful (and punk) matter.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:14:59 JST iced depresso

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     @sun @mangeurdenuage the good news is as the sociopaths accumulate cases of confirmed abuse it becomes easier to hold up that list as counter-evidence to justify a purge, but it still requires enough high profile people get unfairly injured to use that tactic
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:15:43 JST Sick Sun

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     @mangeurdenuage @asa I don't want to re-litigate it but I'll restate my position: yes the LF is bound by US sanctions, Yes the sanctions make sense at a national level, yes it is justifiably offensive to people to see it happen anyway, yes tons of people were going to be unhappy when this inevitably happened, yes kernel core needed to communicate this as clearly as legally possible, no instead of doing that they did it in the way that was guaranteed to create the most conflict, yes it was completely unnecessary to do that.
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     Asa (asa@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:18:45 JST Asa

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     @sun @mangeurdenuage and by decentralized I don’t really know what I mean tbh
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:18:45 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     • Asa
     @asa @sun The cathedral and the bazaar.
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     Asa (asa@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:18:46 JST Asa

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     @sun @mangeurdenuage
     
     > open source code project
     > people are volunteers basically
     > tied to boomer laws
     
     Why
     
     Honestly the rust guys should remake the kernel in rust then just have it be a fully decentralized cypher punk project
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:19:23 JST Sick Sun

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     @asa @mangeurdenuage incorporation in the united states. maybe they should find a better country to host.
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:21:35 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @asa @sun All GPL project are by nature decentralized as it doesn't require a central authority.
     People can gladly contribute to the main linux kernel if they wish AND if they are accepted.
     If they are not then they are free as in freedom to fork and do the changes they do.
     Such is what is for example the linux-libre project.
     And it doesn't stop the main kernel people to bring back peaces made in the linux-libre fork into the main kernel. as the GPL allows sharing.
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:23:04 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @sun @asa Like....what country is out of reach of the US golem ?
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:23:40 JST Sick Sun

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     @mangeurdenuage @asa maybe they would make a special effort to intervene but like openbsd is run out of canada
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:29:17 JST Sick Sun

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     @frogzone @asa @mangeurdenuage we believe love is love
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     frogzone@wizard.casa's status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:29:18 JST frogzone

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     @sun @mangeurdenuage @asa no, the reds are not under the bed, yes a russian can volunteer on a project, yes bitcoin exists.

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     Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 23:52:16 JST Rusty Crab

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     @icedquinn @mangeurdenuage these guys should really just defect to China at this point. Go somewhere you're appreciated.
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